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13:04 Jul 7, 2000
German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering
German term or phrase: Dipl.-Wi.-Ing / Dipl.-Ing
Anyone got any ideas on the English equivalents of the above titles. The Wi part is confusing me the most.
Julie
English translation:See below
Explanation:
"Dipl.-Wi.-Ing." could be a shortened form of "Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing," or "Diplomwirtschaftsingenieur." Likewise, "Dipl.-Ing." is short for "Diplomingenieur." In terms of translations, you're dealing with an industrial engineer and engineer respectively, the "Diplom" part referring to their graduation from college/possessing a degree in their respective fields of study. As for English equivalents, there aren't any substitutes for these if they're being used in conjunction with somebody's name as a title. I've seen several English-language resumes and business cards from Dipl.-Ing. and they leave the title as is. If you wanted you could explain in brackets what the title signifies in terms of graduating from a program in industrial engineering or engineering, but be careful in terms of drawing similarities. "Diplome" are generally first degrees awarded to people who study sciences, not humanities, but I wouldn't refer to them as a B.S. or even an M.S. because of the difference in the systems. If you're translating educational documents for a university, the end user will probably already be familiar with these kinds of designations and/or send the certificates off for professional credential evaluation.
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5Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur = Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing.James_84
naDipl.-Wi.-Ing = Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur
Brigitte Gendebien
nasee belowDan McCrosky
naDiplom-Ingenieur
Brigitte Gendebien
naSee belowCami Townsend
nasee below
Dierk Seeburg
nagraduate in civil engineering
Brigitte Gendebien
nagraduate, certified engineer; Wi. - Wissenschaft? (of science)Tadej Gregorcic
nasee belowAnita Millar


  

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12 mins
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Explanation:
The second one is an abbreviation of Diplom Ingenieur and maens that the person has a university degree as an engineer . The first one is also a graduate engineer but I don't know what the Wi stands for. wissenschaftlich? wirtschaftlich? Perhaps the context might give you a clue.
Good luck!

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15 mins
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Explanation:
The Wi. stands for Wirtschaft. A Dipl.-Wi.-Ing stands for Diplom-Wirtschafts-Ingenieur, someone who studied Wirtschaftsingenieurwesen. A Dipl.-Ing is a Diplom-Ingenieur. As for a translation, that's rather difficult due to A) the differences in the educational systems in English and German speaking countries and B) the fact that degree titles are often not translated (prbably because of A)). Nevertheless, the Diplom is somewhat equivalent to a Master's degree, and the Dipl.-Ing. is the equivalent of a Master's degree in Engineering. A Dipl.-Wi.-Ing. may be somewhat equivalent to a Master's degree in Business Administration with an emphasis on Economy or economic policies.
Cheerio,
Dierk

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16 mins
graduate in civil engineering


Explanation:
Dipl.Ing. = Diplomingenieur : graduate in civil engineering

Wir = Wirtschaft (economy, business)
Dipl.-Wi.-Ing = Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur

graduate in business engineering or something like that, I don't know the exact term

Brigitte Gendebien
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16 mins
graduate, certified engineer; Wi. - Wissenschaft? (of science)


Explanation:
I have found these explanations in the dictionary. My choice would be "certified science engineer" for the first and "certified engineer" for the second title. Although these may not be 100% equivalents of the titles (due to the different edu. systems), they are their adequate descriptions.

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19 mins
See below


Explanation:
"Dipl.-Wi.-Ing." could be a shortened form of "Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing," or "Diplomwirtschaftsingenieur." Likewise, "Dipl.-Ing." is short for "Diplomingenieur." In terms of translations, you're dealing with an industrial engineer and engineer respectively, the "Diplom" part referring to their graduation from college/possessing a degree in their respective fields of study. As for English equivalents, there aren't any substitutes for these if they're being used in conjunction with somebody's name as a title. I've seen several English-language resumes and business cards from Dipl.-Ing. and they leave the title as is. If you wanted you could explain in brackets what the title signifies in terms of graduating from a program in industrial engineering or engineering, but be careful in terms of drawing similarities. "Diplome" are generally first degrees awarded to people who study sciences, not humanities, but I wouldn't refer to them as a B.S. or even an M.S. because of the difference in the systems. If you're translating educational documents for a university, the end user will probably already be familiar with these kinds of designations and/or send the certificates off for professional credential evaluation.

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23 mins
Diplom-Ingenieur


Explanation:
Diplom-Ingenieur
Country: Austria
Grammatical variants: Diplom-Ingenieurin(nen), Diplom-Ingenieure
Level of education: Higher
Explanatory note: Academic title conferred on students who have been awarded the "Diplomprüfungszeugnis" at the end of technical higher education. Abbreviations: Dipl.-Ing. and DI. Titles obtained through study at a Fachhochschule are followed by the abbreviation FH.
(Source: Eurydice, European Glossary on Education Volume 1 Examinations, Qualifications and Titles, Brussels, 1999)

You can access it online at: http://www.eurydice.org/Documents/Glossary/EN/FrameSet.htm

Brigitte Gendebien
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26 mins
Dipl.-Wi.-Ing = Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur


Explanation:
Dipl.-Wi.-Ing = Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur

Source: Koblischke, Kleines Abkürzungsbuch, VEB Bibliographisches Institut Leipzig, 1984

Brigitte Gendebien
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1 hr
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Explanation:
Diplomwirtschaftsingenieur = Management and Mechanical/Electrical/Energy/Manufacturing/etc. Engineer

This site is written by one of them:

http://www.i-u.de/schools/biehl/index.htm -

I got the feeling he would know what he is talking about. He does not use the term Industrial Engineer. Industrial Engineer is an older major, it even existed in the late 50s when I was wasting some time at a university. As far as I know industrial engineers do engineering for the design of factories and the associated equipment. This Diplomwirtschaftsingenieur is a much newer concept and more management/finance/marketing oriented.

This site shows how this newer idea works:

http://www.htwk-leipzig.de:8080/english/courses3.htm -

I taught one of these fellows once and he explained it to me. They have a double major. One in some category of engineering and the other is business management. When they are finished, they are at roughly the Master's level. "Diplom" level is always higher than a B.S. when you consider the time required to get the degree.

The other degree "Diplomingenieur" is also somewhat afflicted by the same time of study problem. I agree here with Dierk for a change. If you write BS in XXX Engineering, it is definitely undershooting the mark by at least two years. MS would be closer, but maybe a little high. -

Better late than never - HTH - Dan


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Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur = Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing.


Explanation:
Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing. or Dipl.-Wi.-Ing. is a German degree in Industrial Engineering (Wirtschaftsingenieurwesen). If issued from a German university (Universität) or technical university (TU), not from a College (FH = Fachhochschule), this degree is at least equivalent to a Master degree. Even though the holder of such a degree is not allowed to call himself MSc. or MBA; same rule for those who have the new German Master degree and can not call themselves Dipl.-(what-so-ever). The studies consist of Operations Research, Business Administration, Finance, and Economics, as well as the chosen Engineering discipline (Electrical, Mechanical or Civil Engineering). Compared to the US universities, where an Industrial Engineer is usually more taught in the business part (like Operations Research), in German universities engineering courses are usually valued higher.
If starting a PhD program in an engineering or a business studies related field, a Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing. even does not have to take further classes towards the PhD degree.
At the German top tier (technical) universities (called: TU9 ) 40%-60% of all starters fail to achieve the Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing. degree.

A Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing usually is employed in an engineering job that requires to know about economics and business administration, or in a management position that requires technical skills. Graduates of this discipline usually end up in management positions after a short on the job training.

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