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al darsi dell\'identità

13:40 Dec 30, 2016
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Philosophy
Italian term or phrase: al darsi dell\'identità
Salve a tutti. Il tema è la figura dello xenos, lo straniero, nel Simposio e nel Fedro di Platone. Vi riporto qualche riga contenente l'espressione per la quale trovo difficoltà.

"Dobbiamo partire, se vogliamo comprendere a fondo la posta in gioco di tale necessario e imprescindibile confronto, da due tra i più importanti e suggestivi dialoghi platonici: il Simposio e il Fedro. Qui, infatti, la questione 'dell'altro da sé', dello xenos, viene efficacemente pensata. Se è vero che l’immagine offerta dal Simposio sulla relazionalità è tutta orientata a difendere il processo di liberazione dalle relazioni umane che il filosofo deve realizzare, il Fedro annuncia una tensione nuova, che difende un ideale di vita in cui l’attività intellettuale ha bisogno di essere condivisa per essere davvero tale e in cui l’altro diventa, restando altro, lo specchio nel quale intravedere il sé. Una visione di pensiero, questa, più problematica e critica, che rivisita il motto delfico del “conosci te stesso” alla luce di una relazione con un centro esterno che non è accidentale al darsi dell’identità, ma suo necessario controcanto. "
Lucia Valentino
Italy
Local time: 14:48


Summary of answers provided
4looking for self-knowledge
fbbest
4self-identification
Anita M. A. Mazzoli
3 +1to establishing one's identity
Marco Solinas


  

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38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
to establishing one's identity


Explanation:
I think this is one of several valid options.

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Note added at 57 mins (2016-12-30 14:37:55 GMT)
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Or: "to the establishment of one's identity", depending on how you want to structure the rest of the sentence.

Marco Solinas
Local time: 05:48
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian

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3 days 9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
self-identification


Explanation:
"One's self-concept (also called self-construction, * self-identity*, self-perspective or self-structure) is a collection of beliefs about oneself that includes elements such as academic performance,gender roles, sexuality, and racial identity.
Generally, self-concept embodies the answer to "Who am I?"."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-concept
Anita M. A. Mazzoli
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:48
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
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2 days 23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
looking for self-knowledge


Explanation:
γνῶθι σεαυτόν
'Nosce te ipsum'
Non è un 'accettare l'identità', bensì un 'riconoscere quel che si è'
This ancient Greek phrase, “know yourself” is the simplest invitation to reflect on oneself

Hegel:"self-consciousness is the fount of truth".

Fichte: "Look at yourself, shift your gaze from everything around you and direct it to your interior. This is the first request that philosophy makes to his apprentice. You are not going to talk about anything outside of you, but only of yourself ".

Cassirer: "the autognosis is the supreme purpose of philosophical inquiry".

Montaigne: "every man contains within himself the entire form of the human condition".

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http://en.antiquitatem.com/know-thyself-socrates-plato-philo...

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..as an integral part of a composition (countermelody)

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My suggestion:
"This is a more problematic and critic view of thought which revises / reinterprets the Delfic oracle/motto “know yourself/thyself” in the light of a new relationship with an external center that is not accidental to the 'autognosis' (self-knowledge), rather an integral part of it."

fbbest
Italy
Local time: 14:48
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
Notes to answerer
Asker: Quindi può andare: is not casual to the looking for self-knowledge, but it's an integral part of a countermelody?

Asker: O meglio: is not casual ti the search for self-knowledge"

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