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17:32 Feb 2, 2012
Italian to English translations [PRO] Education / Pedagogy
Italian term or phrase:VII Istituto Magistrale Statale
But, just for fun... International degree cross-evaluation is a hazy area by definition. For example, many European 5-year university degrees are often evaluated in Canada and the States as Masters' degrees. However, if you take a really serious two-year North American master's degree, it, and the concomitant thesis, are incomparably more complex and sophisticated than a "Laurea 5-ennale con la tesi". So, depending on the discipline and the university, they are evaluated differently: say, as a one-year master's degree, which is not enough to enter a PhD programme but enough to enter a law school or a medical school without an LSAT exam. On the other hand there are high-scool-type colledges in the States, compared to which even a half-decent Italian Liceo is Agora! So, particularly for a CV, sometimes, grey areas permitting, people like giving themselve a little extra edge... There is not only "lost in translation" but also "gained in traslation" :))))
I think we have flogged the argument to death. Elene in Georgia didn't say what she was using the translation for - if it is just to translate a curriculum, the important thing is just that whoever reads it understands it is a high school diploma and not a university/college(in the US sense!) degree. Hope Elene finds a suitable translation for her needs
so it's turning into a typically Mediterranean paradox: it's an institution training teachers who cannot work as teachers afterwards but must go to the appropriate university faculty, for entering into which their high-school specialization is all but irrelevant, because just about anyone can enroll into Magistero (I mean university now!). However, as usual too, for the time being (a famous “intanto") they can still apply for those jobs I mentioned. Be it as it may, for this particular translation their employability matters very little. It is a "Pedagogical High School", that's all. As for colledges, I adhered to North American treatment of the concept: a pre-university or, at best, junior undergraduate institution. You see, Tex also adhers to the US terminology (and with a handle like that – no wonder!) for – now in a typically British paradox – "public school" is not government (comprehensive) but a private institution. Or has it changed too?
Yes Michael, it is a high school. I was just trying to make two points
1. For new teachers, high school is not enough, you need a degree. As my ref. says " Per l’insegnamento nelle scuole dell’infanzia e nelle scuole elementari occorre conseguire prima la laurea in scienze della formazione primaria e poi superare i relativi concorsi a cattedre, "... then further on it says since this law is still in a "transitory" phase, people with the old high.school.only qualification can still go in for the "concorsi" for kindergarten or primary school places.
2. Calling anything 'teacher training (college) gives the impression of post-graduate training, as it is in the UK and (I think) in most places in the US.
Istituto magistrale doesn't have to “fully develop“ into anything for it IS a fully developed high school. Italian state high schools are: Licei (classici, artistici, linguistici) Istituti (scientifici, tecnici, alberghieri, magistrali). It's just different specialization, that's all. "Magistrale" leans towards creating an educator's profile, that's all.
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VII ISTITUTO MAGISTRALE STATALE
Explanation: a high school specializing in education.
In fact, the graduates are entitled to teach in kindergardens and elementary schools.
Michael Korovkin Italy Local time: 11:51 Works in field Native speaker of: English, Russian PRO pts in category: 40