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Latin term or phrase:svecus
English translation:Swedish
Entered by: Joseph Brazauskas
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19:29 Mar 7, 2007
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Games / Video Games / Gaming / Casino / chess
Latin term or phrase: svecus
I'm translating what is apparently a description of how chess or a similar board game was played by the Lapps in Linnaeus' day. He is giving the rules one by one and for context I provide the rule and those immediately preceding and following it:

7. Licitum est loca dissita occupare per lineam rectam, ut a c ad n, nullo intercludente. 8. svecus et muscovita in gressibus alternant. 9. si quis hostem 1 inter 2 sibi hostes collocare possit, est occisus et ejici debet; item rex.

It's difficult to determine to what game pieces 'svecus' and 'muscovita' refer, although the latter is obviously Latin for Muscovite.
Joseph Brazauskas
United States
Swedish
Explanation:
in old Hungarian writings, names of other nations are often written in Latin

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Note added at 16 óra (2007-03-08 11:51:01 GMT)
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I checked in an old document (dating from 1791) - in a somewhat obsolete Hungarian: http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/eredet/erdely_02.html - about the origins of the Hungarians.
There, it seems that svecus is rather Finnish: in a rough translation:
In their language, the name of these people is Soumalain or Soumeis, and the name Soutz, Svetz, Svecus, also clearly originates from there. — People in Lapponia Livonia Jugria Estomia and some regions of Curlandia also belong to the Finnish and speak the same language, and those languages are very close to our Hungarian language.

In a different document, I found another reference, which describes the svecus people as living "up in the north and around the (Baltic) sea" - so very similar to this one, covering also several nations, according to modern terminology.

But I also found an English-langugae description of this game: http://brainking.com/en/GameRules?tp=19&fwa=Tournaments!trg=...$tri=94653$trnst=0 - quite interesting :)

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Note added at 16 óra (2007-03-08 12:01:10 GMT)
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one more link: there is a guy who seems to know a lot about this game:
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=18&u=12259

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Note added at 17 óra (2007-03-08 12:39:33 GMT)
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it seems to be assumed Swedish ("eight blond Swedes and their king against 12 dark Muscovites"): http://www.stmoroky.com/games/tablut/tabrules.htm
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Eva Blanar
Hungary
Local time: 13:37
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Thank you very much, Eva, for your expertise. it is much appreciated.
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Swedish


Explanation:
in old Hungarian writings, names of other nations are often written in Latin

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Note added at 16 óra (2007-03-08 11:51:01 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I checked in an old document (dating from 1791) - in a somewhat obsolete Hungarian: http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/eredet/erdely_02.html - about the origins of the Hungarians.
There, it seems that svecus is rather Finnish: in a rough translation:
In their language, the name of these people is Soumalain or Soumeis, and the name Soutz, Svetz, Svecus, also clearly originates from there. — People in Lapponia Livonia Jugria Estomia and some regions of Curlandia also belong to the Finnish and speak the same language, and those languages are very close to our Hungarian language.

In a different document, I found another reference, which describes the svecus people as living "up in the north and around the (Baltic) sea" - so very similar to this one, covering also several nations, according to modern terminology.

But I also found an English-langugae description of this game: http://brainking.com/en/GameRules?tp=19&fwa=Tournaments!trg=...$tri=94653$trnst=0 - quite interesting :)

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Note added at 16 óra (2007-03-08 12:01:10 GMT)
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one more link: there is a guy who seems to know a lot about this game:
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=18&u=12259

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Note added at 17 óra (2007-03-08 12:39:33 GMT)
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it seems to be assumed Swedish ("eight blond Swedes and their king against 12 dark Muscovites"): http://www.stmoroky.com/games/tablut/tabrules.htm

Eva Blanar
Hungary
Local time: 13:37
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Native speaker of: Hungarian
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you very much, Eva, for your expertise. it is much appreciated.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Markus Grauer: http://www.foteviken.se/art_50_99/viking_art84b.htm
5 hrs
  -> thx, actually, I just asked a Finnish friend of mine about this - in the old papers, svecus are described as powerful, militant people (not very Finnish, I'd say)

agree  Rebecca Garber
8 hrs
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