freguesia & concelho

English translation: parish/townland, municipality,

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Portuguese term or phrase:freguesia & concelho
English translation:parish/townland, municipality,
Entered by: Lia Fail (X)

17:06 Dec 11, 2000
Portuguese to English translations [Non-PRO]
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Portuguese term or phrase: freguesia & concelho
in birth certificate - Portugual
freguesia de X
concelho de Y

Both are legal circumscriptions , districts - freguesia originally = parish

Is a freguesia a neighborhood size, whereas a concelho is of a city?
PBerrymn
municipality, parish
Explanation:
I agree with DSandin about county vs municipality. My country has counties but within the counties there are admin areas, so one would go to the appropriate admin area (=municipality) to register a birth. Also municipality is quite clear in meaning and can refer to a town as well as to surrounding country, i.e. it's not limited strictly to populated areas. Counties are really more geographical and often very old/ancient boundaries, and admin of these tends to change from century to century.

Freguesia could be parish, borough (British, but not Irish, and tends to refer to parts of cities) or townland (= parish but less 'religious', used a lot in Ireland)

If the birth cert is portugues and for a person who was 'christened' I would stick to parish

100 hits in Google for freguesia + parish

13 hits for freguesia + borough


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Lia Fail (X)
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Summary of answers provided
na"Concelho" is bigger than "Freguesia".
Luis Luis
namunicipality, parish
Lia Fail (X)
nacounty or municipality; borough
Donna Sandin
Summary of reference entries provided
freguesia / cilvil parish
José Maia

  

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18 mins
county or municipality; borough


Explanation:
A leading translator in Portugal once told me that concelho should be translated as "county" but I believe "municipality" might be equally suitable. I had been using "parish" for freguesia but he suggested "borough," and that's what I would use tho' I seldom see continental Portuguese in my work. So see what the others say.

Donna Sandin
United States
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21 hrs
municipality, parish


Explanation:
I agree with DSandin about county vs municipality. My country has counties but within the counties there are admin areas, so one would go to the appropriate admin area (=municipality) to register a birth. Also municipality is quite clear in meaning and can refer to a town as well as to surrounding country, i.e. it's not limited strictly to populated areas. Counties are really more geographical and often very old/ancient boundaries, and admin of these tends to change from century to century.

Freguesia could be parish, borough (British, but not Irish, and tends to refer to parts of cities) or townland (= parish but less 'religious', used a lot in Ireland)

If the birth cert is portugues and for a person who was 'christened' I would stick to parish

100 hits in Google for freguesia + parish

13 hits for freguesia + borough




Lia Fail (X)
Spain
Local time: 20:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 164
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6 days
"Concelho" is bigger than "Freguesia".


Explanation:
Perhaps, "District" for "concelho" and "Parish/County" for "Freguesia".

I have seen a tendency to translate "County" as "Condado" also, due to the root word being "count (a noble man)".

Regards.
Luis M. Luis

Luis Luis
United States
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Reference comments


3372 days
Reference: freguesia / cilvil parish

Reference information:
freguesia / cilvil parish

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Note added at 3372 days (2010-03-07 12:48:39 GMT) Post-grading
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Correction: freguesia / civil parish

José Maia
Portugal
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese, Native in EnglishEnglish
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