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Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

Kazakhstan or Kazakstan

English translation:

both are correct

Added to glossary by Natalia Potashnik
Apr 15, 2008 21:17
16 yrs ago
Russian term

Kazakhstan or Kazakstan

Russian to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters name of the country
I was always writing kazaKHstan and this is what the dictionary says. However, I have a Kazakhstan passport in front of me which says over and over KazaKstan.
Can you let me know if any of these is wrong?
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 both are correct
5 +12 Kazakhstan
5 +8 KazaKHstan
4 +2 Kazakhstan
5 Kazakhstan
Change log

Apr 20, 2008 22:44: Natalia Potashnik Created KOG entry

Discussion

Aleksey Chervinskiy Apr 16, 2008:
козацькому роду нема переводу!
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 16, 2008:
I just respect the way how they put it in their passports :)
Aleksey Chervinskiy Apr 16, 2008:
Может в Казахском языке нет звука "х", а может они хотят стать казаками.
SirReaL Apr 16, 2008:
Thanks for a very interesting link, Serhiy! However, the e-mail is from 1995. It's 2008 now and the version with 'H' is still prevalent, isn't it?
SirReaL Apr 16, 2008:
Just for the record (re James McVay's note), Ivan's answer was posted first.
Jack Doughty Apr 15, 2008:
It's a bit confusing for Russians though, isn't it? After all, a казак is not the same thing as a казах.
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
To sum up, it's up to the Kazakh to decide how to write the name of their country in Kazakh passports, isn’t it.
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
cf. http://yarchive.net/space/politics/kazakhstan_renaming.html
The government of Kazakhstan has requested Western nations using the Latin
alphabet to change their spelling of the country's name to "Kazakstan".
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
For Kazakhstan, see List of alternative country names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_country_nam...
Fernsucht Apr 15, 2008:
turn the images on again, voila! the image with KazaKHstan replaces the now hidden text with KazaKstan =)))
Fernsucht Apr 15, 2008:
http://en.government.kz/ the funny part about it - look at the website BOTH with images enabled and disabled in your browser, and you'll see that when the images are off, the heading of the official website says KazaKstan, and when you
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
So, how to spell it depends on the particular situation or text!
BTW, while all Ukrainian official acts use the word Kyiv, I have to write Kiev in my letter to another country if they aren’t aware of the change…
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
So, Kazakstan is quite OK! all the more, we have to respect what is written in a passport
Serhiy Tkachuk Apr 15, 2008:
I think the matter is in transcribing the word on the basis of what is actually pronounced by the Kazakh.
A similar case is Kyiv (as transcribed from the Ukrainian language), whereas Kiev from Russian
Vitaly Kisin Apr 15, 2008:
Have a look here: http://kazakhstan.orexca.com/
Fernsucht Apr 15, 2008:
Hehe, here's the passport) but it's Kazakstan) I think the Kazakh gov't likes the second spelling variant more) http://www.worldpassports.org/asia/pages/Kazakhstan.htm
Fernsucht Apr 15, 2008:
Both spellings possible, although Kazakhstan is the preffered one
Fernsucht Apr 15, 2008:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kazakhstan

Proposed translations

+2
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Selected

both are correct

Kazakhstan is used more often. If you want to be on the safe side then use Kazakhstan.

Please bear in mind that former Soviet republics do not always use English for their passports. The former Soviet Union used French to transliterate names. For example, my name Поташник was spelled as Potachnik in my Soviet passport. I had to officially change my name from Potachnik to Potashnik after I left Russia and moved to Australia where French spelling made no sense.



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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-15 22:25:00 GMT)
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http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/Kazakhs...
Kazakhstan (also Kazakstan) is a country in Central Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan
Kazakhstan, also spelled Kazakstan (Kazakh: Қазақстан, Qazaqstan, IPA: [qɑzɑqˈstɑn]; Russian: Казахстан, Kazakhstán, Russian pronunciation: [kazəxˈstan]), officially the Republic of Kazakhstan, is a country in Central Asia and Europe.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O142-Kazakstan.html
Kazakstan
From: World Encyclopedia | Date: 2005
Kazakstan area:2,717,300sq km (1,049,150sq mi)

Here is one official "Kazak" site eng.minplan.kz
Ministry of Economy and Budget Planning of the Republic of Kazakstan

Peer comment(s):
disagree Vitaly Kisin : kazakhs and kazaks are two different groups of people, different languages etc
2 mins
Agree. However if Казахстан wants to spell its name as Kazakstan you cannnot do anything about that
agree Fernsucht : correct, we're talking about the name of the country
5 mins
agree Serhiy Tkachuk : we are all correct!
12 mins
neutral Nicholas Krivenko : Would you mind citing an official source? Just curious where you saw the official Kazakhstan calling itself "Kazakstan"? Thanks.
17 mins
agree Tigran Mikaelian : There are many examples of such linguistic atavism that have sprung up in the confusion of the transition from the Russian-dominated era to the modern-day latinization of the former Soviet Republics.
7 hrs
neutral Tsogt Gombosuren : "Kazakhstan" for "Казахстан" and "cossacks" for "козаки"
10 hrs
neutral Nico Rhodionoff : в комментарии уважаемого Tsogt Gombosuren все было бы хорошо, только казаки пишутся через А, а не О. Темна вода в облацеях!
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+2
4 mins

Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan is right. I have several documents with "Kazakhstan"
Peer comment(s):
agree Serhiy Tkachuk
7 mins
agree Michael Tovbin : на сайте президента РК именно так
9 hrs
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+8
3 mins

KazaKHstan

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Note added at 3 mins (2008-04-15 21:21:17 GMT)
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but both correct, since Kazakstan is just one more spelling option

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Note added at 5 mins (2008-04-15 21:22:51 GMT)
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Kazakhstan, also spelled Kazakstan (Kazakh: Қазақстан, Qazaqstan, IPA: [qɑzɑqˈstɑn]; Russian: Казахстан, Kazakhstán, Russian pronunciation: [kazəxˈstan]),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan
Peer comment(s):
agree Rustam Rasulov
0 min
Спасибо Рустам
agree SirReaL : Казахи - не казаки :)
0 min
Спасибо Михаил
agree PoveyTrans (X) : agree - also used by bbc, FCO & Kazakh government
2 mins
Thanks
agree Serhiy Tkachuk
8 mins
Thank you, Serhiy
agree Larissa Boutrimova : Used by Borat makers too :)
5 hrs
Спасибо Лариса)
agree Tigran Mikaelian : That's right, Larissa, the glorious nation of Kazakhstan : )
7 hrs
Як ше маш)
agree Michael Tovbin : на сайте президента РК именно так
9 hrs
Thanks, Michael
agree EnLancer (X)
9 hrs
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+12
3 mins

Kazakhstan

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Note added at 11 hrs (2008-04-16 09:09:52 GMT)
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It looks wer have here quite a discussion! My opinion is based on what I have seen working at Tengiz field (Chevron, Kasakhstan) – we have been instructed about spelling of the country name by Chevron legal dep.
Peer comment(s):
agree SirReaL
0 min
thank you!
agree Igor Savenkov
1 min
thank you!
agree PoveyTrans (X) : agree - also used by bbc, FCO & Kazakh government
2 mins
thank you!
agree Lara_M : Kazakhstan
4 mins
thank you!
agree Serhiy Tkachuk
7 mins
thank you!
agree GaryG : Their embassy in the US uses this form: http://www.kazakhembus.com/
54 mins
thank you!
agree James McVay : I believe this answer was first.
1 hr
thank you!
agree Vladimir Dubisskiy
5 hrs
thank you!
agree Ray East : My government send me to US and A to make movie film for make glorious nation Kazakhstan. Please, come see my film. If it not success, I will be execute... Sorry, I couldn't resist :-D
8 hrs
thank you!
agree Michael Tovbin : на сайте президента РК именно так
9 hrs
thank you!
agree Tsogt Gombosuren : Kazakhstan is the correct version.
11 hrs
thank you!
agree Iosif JUHASZ
18 hrs
thank you!
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3 days 8 hrs
Russian term (edited): Kazakhstan or Kazakstan

Kazakhstan

k is for k in Russian
and
kh is for x in Russian
Now we have to see what it is exactly in the language that country speaks and decide accordingly
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