Юн.

English translation: last name

14:35 Sep 11, 2006

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Russian term or phrase: Юн.

The end of a letter:

Писал Фентистов и Абрамов. Подпись воспитанников: Юн. Залкин. Абрамов. Залкин. Феоктистов. Карев. Цуканов.

A younger brother of the Zalkin who wrote the letter?

Deborah Hoffman KudoZ activity Questions: 994 (7 open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 427
Local time: 08:02

English translation:last name

Explanation:
Hi Deborah, to me, it looks just like one of the last names in the list.

1) Yun
2) Zalkin
3) Abramov
4) etc...

Selected response from:

Natalie
Poland
Local time: 14:02

Grading comment

This is my best guess too...though I'm always relieved when the native speakers differ on what something could mean too!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +6

last name

Natalie

юнкера/юноши

Crio

юннат

zhop (X)

Discussion entries: 16

Kirill Semenov

Ukraine

05:52 Sep 12, 2006

I see no problem that there are two Zalkin in the list. Siblings or simply two people with the same name, Zalkin is not so rare as a second name.

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

04:20 Sep 12, 2006

Talking about different ethnicities - Iun or Yun is a very common Korean family name. Not sure how abundant they were in Russia at the time though. If they were, that'll prove Natalie's idea. But we're still stuck with the two Zalkin's here.

Irene N

United States

01:16 Sep 12, 2006

Еще был юннаты - юные натуралисты. Deborah, that means "young naturalists", sort of young animal/nature lovers+conservationists+possible future zoologists etc.

Deborah Hoffman

ASKER

00:52 Sep 12, 2006

Maybe Chinese? I'll have to think about 1935 and how likely that was...

Deborah Hoffman

ASKER

00:51 Sep 12, 2006

Ahh...There were many different ethnicities represented in children's homes, at least at one time. I wonder if that could explain the Iun.

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

00:35 Sep 12, 2006

To: Vladimir Lioukaikine: I never said that Юний is Jewish, but Zalkin is definitely not Russian and most likely Jewish. If I had more time i could find you more examples about possible variants for Юн. just for fun :-))

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

23:45 Sep 11, 2006

Besides I doubt it very much that it's his real name - the guy is fake all over...

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

23:44 Sep 11, 2006

Ah, c'mon Vladimir, Юний is neither Russian nor Jewish. This name traces back to ancient Rome where all those Junius's lived. And mentioning this provoker Юний Давыдов, associated with the "Падонки" movement here - hey, you must be joking.

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

22:28 Sep 11, 2006

To Vladimir Lioukaikine
Example (check this out): http://adme.ru/articles/2006/08/03/7926.html
Юний Давыдов: Буллшит (56)

03/08/06

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

22:27 Sep 11, 2006

Vladimir Lioukaikine: I would not consider the last name Zalkin as a Russian name. I believe it's Jewish. To add, there were some unusual names at that time, like Elektrifikatsia. This name could be, say, Юний.

Smantha

Israel

20:19 Sep 11, 2006

Could it possibly be "юниор" ?

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

19:28 Sep 11, 2006

To Vladimir Dubisskiy: Can you produce at least one Russian first name starting with "Юн"?

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

19:24 Sep 11, 2006

But luckily we don't have many words to choose from - "Юн." could be either "юный", "юноша" or "юнкер". Maybe "юнец", hardly "юнга". "Юнионист" would be out of range for sure.

Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)

19:22 Sep 11, 2006

Yes, it'd be tempting to write something like "Zalkin,Jr." but I'm not sure if the corresponding form "Юн. Залкин" ever existed in Russia.

Peter Shortall

United Kingdom

19:09 Sep 11, 2006

In lists of names where two are the same (whether related or not), I think it's common in English (and I dare say Russian) to put the initials of *both* of them, not just one, for ease of reference. I wonder why they haven't done that here... odd

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

15:50 Sep 11, 2006

I would agree with Natalie if there was only one Zalkin there, but there are two/ They are not necessarily brothers, and to differ. one's first name (abbr) could be used. It's quite normal.

Answers

3 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +6

last name

Explanation:
Hi Deborah, to me, it looks just like one of the last names in the list.

1) Yun
2) Zalkin
3) Abramov
4) etc...

Natalie
Poland
Local time: 14:02
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 36

Grading comment

This is my best guess too...though I'm always relieved when the native speakers differ on what something could mean too!

15 hrs confidence:

юнкера/юноши

Explanation:
I guess it is quite old document you are translating (19- beginning of 20), so it is possible an old-style addressing, which relates to all signees.
I'm especially curious whether it is military school ("юнкерское училище") - in this case addressing "юнкер" seems quite probable.

Crio
Russian Federation
Local time: 15:02
Native speaker of:

Russian

3 days 8 hrs confidence:

юннат

Explanation:
юннат ; юный натуралист
young naturalist; member of junior natural history study group

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Note added at 3 days8 hrs (2006-09-14 23:14:21 GMT)
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already mentioned in the above discussion, sorry I haven't seen

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Note added at 3 days9 hrs (2006-09-15 00:34:35 GMT)
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юный пионер young pioneer
юный ленинец yuong leninets

if this text also pertains to the one where 'activists' were mentioned
actually "young leninets" was the youngest "activist" at that time :)

zhop (X)
Local time: 15:02
Native speaker of:

Russian

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