метод выкопировки данных из медицинских карт

00:09 Feb 14, 2018 

Sorry, I can’t agree with you about “THE only politically correct, Wikipedia-approved and party secretary-endorsed way.” There are some technical terms you should not use frivolously unless you want to mislead the reader.

If you don’t like Wikipedia, there are many other sources on the Web. By the way, that Wikipedia article is mostly based on third-party information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#References

To illustrate my point, here’s an extract from Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll:

`And only ONE for birthday presents, you know. There's glory
for you!'

`I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't --
till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for
you!"'

`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice
objected.

`When _I_ use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful
tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor
less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you CAN make words mean
so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -
- that's all.'

19:00 Feb 13, 2018 

Спасибо всем за высказанное мнение, совсем не хотел, чтобы мой вопрос послужил причиной очередной жаркой дискуссии, да и не ожидал этого.

18:15 Feb 13, 2018 

But by all means, skin your cat your very own, particular way - THE only politically correct, Wikipedia-approved and party secretary-endorsed way, of course. I wash my hands off of this. I am definitely not fighting another war over whether eggs should be cracked on the pointy end or the blunt end.

17:43 Feb 13, 2018 

Did you take a look at the Wikipedia article about data mining? Here’s another extract from it:

== BEGIN QUOTE ==

Data mining is the process of discovering patterns in large data sets involving methods at the intersection of machine learning, statistics, and database systems.[1] It is an essential process where intelligent methods are applied to extract data patterns.[1][2] It is an interdisciplinary subfield of computer science.[1][3][4] The overall goal of the data mining process is to extract information from a data set and transform it into an understandable structure for further use.[1] Aside from the raw analysis step, it involves database and data management aspects, data pre-processing, model and inference considerations, interestingness metrics, complexity considerations, post-processing of discovered structures, visualization, and online updating.[1] Data mining is the analysis step of the "knowledge discovery in databases" process, or KDD.[5]

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I believe that data mining is currently a very specific term mostly used by IT professionals. I would not recommend using it here and there just for the sake of it.

17:36 Feb 13, 2018 

cat. I mean, mine your data. Correct me if I am wrong, but what is probably involved here is some poor schmo just going over paper records and copying the relevant portions by hand into his own "grossbuch". If I was writing this, I'd simply say that data was gathered from patient records and literature available on the subject - skipping all this pseudoscientific methods bubble. But Frank is right, even that manual copying qualifies as data mining (well, duh).

Which, of course, does not mean I cannot be wrong (I actually am, quite often, if you ask me - like when I bought into oil when it was at $50 and it went all the way down to $30) because we all know that only the Pope is infallible. And maybe not even him:))))

17:34 Feb 13, 2018 

> Asker should have options: translations provided by Russian translators .(extraction) or a term that is popular in English literature (data mining).

Excuse me, what exactly do you mean by “data mining” in this case?

As for “метод выкопировки данных,” in some cases you have to manually enter data from original medical records (paper) into the computer. It doesn’t look like “data mining” to me.

17:29 Feb 13, 2018 

МЕТОДИКА СТАТИСТИЧЕСКОГО ИССЛЕДОВАНИЯ
https://studopedia.org/6-62853.html
== BEGIN QUOTE ==

8. Определение способов отбора материала: а) Случайный отбор (способ жеребьевки) – по признаку, не являющемуся учетным. Например, по первой букве фамилии; б) Механический отбор – метод кратности; в) Гнездовой способ (серийный) – из генеральной совокупности выбираются «гнезда» путем случайной или механической выборки; г) Метод направленного отбора – для углубленного изучения отдельных групп населения (например, из всех онкологических больных более глубокое изучение онкологических заболеваний необходимо провести у чернобыльцев); д) Парно-сопряженный – метод, который используется для сравнения опытных и контрольных групп; е) Когортный метод – совокупность в этом случае определяется наступлением изучаемого признака во времени; ж) Анкетный метод – сбор материала осуществляется при помощи разработанных анкет; з) Метод выкопировки – (выборка из документов); и) Метод основного массива – используется более 68% элементов изучаемого явления; к) По времени: единовременное (на определенный момент времени) наблюдение, текущее (на какой-то период времени) наблюдение.

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17:24 Feb 13, 2018 

@Rashid: Asker should have options: translations provided by Russian translators .(extraction) or a term that is popular in English literature (data mining).

17:18 Feb 13, 2018 

Nothing personal, please don’t be offended. As you probably know, I usually limit myself to “neutral” comments even about versions that I consider to be totally incorrect. I posted some information about выкопировка данных in Reference. Maybe it will be helpful.

17:15 Feb 13, 2018 

> Thank you, Rashid. Actually, I do. The Asker will decide based on details of the process.

All the three of the examples you kindly provided mention data extraction, which is all right, but somehow you translated выкопировка данных as ”data mining”... Where’s the logic? :(

17:14 Feb 13, 2018 

@Rashid: Data mining is a well-established discipline, and no longer a misnomer, involving collection, extraction, and analysis of information from large data sets. Its practicioners know what it stands for.

17:04 Feb 13, 2018 

Sorry to disappoint you, but this time you seem to be wrong (see the extract from the article “Введение в мета-анализ” I posted in Reference and the link to the “Data mining - Wikipedia” article I posted in Discussion).

16:50 Feb 13, 2018 

Data mining - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining
== BEGIN QUOTE ==

<...>

The term is a misnomer, because the goal is the extraction of patterns and knowledge from large amounts of data, not the extraction (mining) of data itself.[6] It also is a buzzword[7] and is frequently applied to any form of large-scale data or information processing (collection, extraction, warehousing, analysis, and statistics) as well as any application of computer decision support system, including artificial intelligence, machine learning, and business intelligence. The book Data mining: Practical machine learning tools and techniques with Java[8] (which covers mostly machine learning material) was originally to be named just Practical machine learning, and the term data mining was only added for marketing reasons.[9] Often the more general terms (large scale) data analysis and analytics – or, when referring to actual methods, artificial intelligence and machine learning – are more appropriate.

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16:33 Feb 13, 2018 

of the kind of value a native or near native brings to the table. Nonnatives tend to translate words - and don't get me wrong, some of them translate these words real good:) A native, on the other hand, puts it into words natives tend to use for the purpose. If you ask me, that's priceless.

14:01 Feb 13, 2018 

Medical record data research ?