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Oct 21, 2008 01:01
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Spanish term

Colonia

Spanish to English Law/Patents Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs Death Certificate
In this document, there is a line for "address." Below the line, three different words appear. "Calle," "Colonia," and "Localidad." Is there an English equivalent for this term or is it best to leave it as "Colonia?

Thank you.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +6 Neighborhood/subdivision
5 +3 district or borough
5 suburb
4 Leave as is
4 suburb
4 Colonia
3 District
5 -3 Sector

Discussion

Ricardo Galarza Oct 21, 2008:
But in any case, for an address, the best is just to leave it as is, IMHO. Regards!
Ricardo Galarza Oct 21, 2008:
it is important to know the target here.
Ricardo Galarza Oct 21, 2008:
What matters here is the target: If it's the US, the translation should be "neighborhood." Virginia is right about Äustralia: there, a suburb is a residential district of a city, whether within it or in the outskirts. That's why
Virginia Dominguez Oct 21, 2008:
To clarify something about suburb, in some places of the world suburb is just that. For example in Sydney and in the rest of the cities of Australia the word suburb means a neighbourhood or 'barrio' that's the way it is here, that's how I interpreted.
Maru Villanueva Oct 21, 2008:
www.ciudadmexico.com.mx/images/zones/delvalle/temploinmaculadocorazon.htm
Maru Villanueva Oct 21, 2008:
Hola Virginia, a "delegación" is a political subdivision, so I would translate it as such. I don't know the source for Wikipedia, but even the name of the Church is wrong. It is not "Santa María" but "Templo del Purísimo Corazón de María" www.ciudadmex
eski Oct 21, 2008:
To clarify a point, you are not-as I understand it, changing the address. The document would read,for instance:"Street":xxx, "Subdivision":xxx, "City/State:xxx."
Virginia Dominguez Oct 21, 2008:
Hola Maru, no son los "boroughs" mira la siguiente explicación http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_del_Valle
aqui explica clarito que Colonia del Valle es un barri del "borough" de Benito Juarez. Saludos.
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
Sincerely, and with all respect, call the Colonia whatever you want but just realize that it is a part of the address sometimes useful, sometimes not so much.
Jennifer Levey Oct 21, 2008:
Please stop mis-using the 'clarification' area of the KudoZ page and take your discussion to the 'linguistic discussion' box - and put an end to the stream of unwanted e-mail notifications filling everyones' inboxes. Gracias.
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
finishing houses that area, sector, neighborhood or whatever will be automatically called the Colonia Bella Vista. In Mexico city some things change, the Colonia Doctores is called that because almost all the streets within are named for Famous doctors...
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
The reason I use Sector is because it becomes a fraction of a city or town. What happens in Mexico is that when a new area is going to be developed, they give it a name, say Bella Vista but there are no homes there. Once they start building and...
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
I do have reservations in using District, Washington DC, Mexico DF are districts,...to big a word. To use suburb, maybe the word is also too big because that is usually a city or a part of a city that is away from the center of town, usually a newer area,
Maru Villanueva Oct 21, 2008:
It is not really a suburb, the "colonias" in Mexico are the "districts" or "boroughs" within and outside the city.
Virginia Dominguez Oct 21, 2008:
It is the name of the suburb, there are a few more with the name starting with Colonia, I would leave as it is.
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
city is the Set and the colonia is a subset. Name it what you wish...for the sake of translations, I always put Centro Sector, Benoto Juarez Sector, Miramar Sector, etc...but it can be also called miramar district, miramar subdivision, etc.
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
...my office is in the Colonia Centro which is Downtown. It is unnecessary but the description with Colonia Centro gives the person an idea of where to go. All the different terms that are being put in are ok...if you took Set theory in school, a ...
eski Oct 21, 2008:
Skam- see my note to you -Last item in my entry. In fact, there are EQUIVALENTS for "colonia" such as "Subdivision", "Neighborhood", "Section", "Area" and so forth. I was once a Zoning Administrator in Coral Gables and there are Many examples.
Maru Villanueva Oct 21, 2008:
I would definitely leave it as is but would put "district" in parentheses to be understood by a foreign citizen.
José J. Martínez Oct 21, 2008:
I am in Sonora, Mexico right now. In Mexico the term colonia is an integral partn of an address. They overdo the address descriptions as a rule. They try to give in an address the mailing information as well as the getting there information. For example..
skam (asker) Oct 21, 2008:
I do understand what a "colonia" is, but this is a formal document. I'm wondering the best way to handle this word, since this portion of an address doesn't exist in the US culture.
skam (asker) Oct 21, 2008:
The document is from Sonora, Mexico.
Jennifer Levey Oct 21, 2008:
What is the country of origin of the document?

Proposed translations

9 mins

Leave as is

Calle=Road or Street; Colonia=Cologne - the town in Germany and Localidad = place - normally the name of the town. I would leave this as is, if it is an address.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Jennifer Levey : Bad luck - it's in Mexico...
6 mins
So I see now, but that was not made clear when the question was asked.....
agree Virginia Dominguez : yes I agree, I would leave it as it is, you are right Mark
21 mins
Thanks Virginia
disagree Juan Jacob : ¿Colonia = Cologne? In this case, this is not a town in Germany. We're talking about Mexico.
49 mins
But given the asker said nothing how was I supposed to know that? I simply took the most obvious route, at least in Europe...
neutral Margaret Schroeder : Right answer, but for a completely mistaken reason.
1 hr
Getting to the destination more important than the route taken? :-)) Thanks!
agree Ricardo Galarza : Yes, leave it as is would be my first option: Colonia.
3 hrs
Thanks Ricardo.
disagree Patrick Weill : n
2865 days
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10 mins

district or borough

Yo lo dejaría como colonia, pero si lo quieres traducir, yo he usado estos términos.
Peer comment(s):
agree Mónica Algazi
1 hr
Gracias mil, Mónica
agree Marina56 : ok
6 hrs
Gracias Marina
agree Patrick Weill
2865 days
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10 mins

District

One possibility.

Read the link below that can help you decide on the best translation

http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=colo...
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9 mins

Sector

This is very typical in Mexico. It is basically a sector of the city. Usually if it improves the designation of the address it is worthwhile to put in if it is irrelevant, it us ok to leave out.

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it IS ok to leave out...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Jennifer Levey : It's certainly not 'OK to leave it out' because it's part of the pre-printed death certificate form.//You comments are irrelevant in the context of this source doc.
36 mins
The cities in Mexico have zip codes FYI. Any correct address, and usually when a Colonia is mentioned which is old style is not counting on having the zip code. Zip codes have taken away the headaches of the Colonias which are very imperfect and imprecise
disagree Margaret Schroeder : It is certainly relevant and necessary for identification of an address, because street names are not necessarily unique within a city. They are only unique within a colonia.
1 hr
The cities in Mexico have zip codes FYI. Any correct address, and usually when a Colonia is mentioned which is old style is not counting on having the zip code. Zip codes have taken away the headaches of the Colonias which are very imperfect and imprecise
disagree Seth Phillips : Not at all. A colonia in MX is a neighborhood. There are NO "sector of a city" in the US, sooo....
4248 days
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14 mins

suburb

Yet another option ...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Juan Jacob : Si "suburb" equivale a "suburbio", esto es completamente "off side". Yo vivo en la Colonia Polanco, de las más "nice" del Distrito Federal, al oeste, ningún suburbio.
50 mins
agree Virginia Dominguez : "suburb" en inglés no significa nada malo, en Sydney son todos 'suburbs' hasta los mas 'nice' por eso no hay que generalizar
2 hrs
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11 mins

Neighborhood/subdivision

English translation: colonia [neighborhood]/delegación ... En México, la colonia es una parte de la dirección. Es una subdivisión de la ciudad. ...
www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law:_contracts/674769... - 54k - En caché - Páginas similares

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KudoZ) Spanish to English translation of colonia: neighborhood, subdivision, area [neighborhood sectioning - Geography (Social Sciences)].
www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/geography/768397-colo... - 57k - En caché - Páginas similares


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COLONIAS:. In Spanish the word "colonia” means a neighborhood or subdivision. However, in the. Rio Grande Valley the word has taken on a negative ...
www.cocnpharr.com/Brochure for the Colonias.pdf - Páginas similares


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Neighborhood and Community. Organizing in Colonias: ..... living in the subdivisions. Faced with a decision that would potentially ...
www.haworthpress.com/store/E-Text/View_EText.asp?a=3&fn=J12... - Páginas similares


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For example , Skam- in Mexico, a typical address would be :
Patriotimo 797, Col.(Colonia)Mixcoac, Mexico, D.F.

Whereas an equivalent in the states might be:
Casuarina Concourse Nº 5, Gables -By-The-Sea (Subdivision), Coral Gables, Fl.

HTH :)
Peer comment(s):
agree Margarita Gonzalez : Si prefieres traducirlo, estas opciones son las más cercanas.
5 mins
Mil gracias, MargaEsther!
agree Henry Hinds
14 mins
Muchisimas Gracias, Henry. Saludos!
agree Juan Jacob : Mi estimado Emiliano, mejor que lo deje tal cual, en tratándose de una dirección que no deben traducirse. Una carta que diga 52 Camino Estrecho (Broadway) en Parque Escondido (Hide Park) nunca llegaría a su destino. Digo.
1 hr
Gracias por tus comentarios Juan, ve mi nota arriba.Saludos!
agree Ricardo Galarza : Si hubiera que traducirlo y el país de destino fuera EE.UU., yo usaría "neighborhood."
3 hrs
Gracias, Ricardo!Saludos.
agree Romado
13 hrs
hisimas Gracias, Romado! Saludos.
agree Alexandra Goldburt : Given that the exact English equivalent of Mexican "colonia" simply doesn't exist, I would use "neighbourhood" as the closest cultural equivalent. (Closed for lack of acceptable answer? Hmm... sin comentarios).
115 days
Thanks Alexandra;too bad the question was closed by the asker: Saludos y un abrazo. :))
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2 hrs

Colonia

It's an integral part of the address. The closest equivalent in English might be "neighbourhood" or "subdivision" but I don't find these adequate because while they describe what a "colonia" is, they are not a necessary part of the address in English-speaking countries, and so to draw an equivalence is somewhat misleading.
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suburb

In Mexico they have Colonia Del Valle, and many different suburbs named Colonia so and so. It's the name of the suburb.

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http://mx.geocities.com/mexicocityinfo/neighbor.html

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Colonia Condesa, Colonia Roma, etc

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It could also be a neighbourhood as suggested before depending where is going to or what it is you are translating but I would leave as it is since it's the name of a place.


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Sydney's Eastern Suburbs. The extensive area covered by urban Sydney is ..... In the city and inner suburbs the state-owned Sydney Buses has a monopoly. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney - 263k -

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City of Sydney Suburbs. Close Window. Alexandria Beaconsfield Camperdown Centennial Park Chippendale Darling Harbour Darlinghurst Darlington Dawes Point ...
www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/WhatsOn/suburbs.htm - 2k -

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City of Sydney Suburbs. Close Window. Alexandria Beaconsfield Camperdown Centennial Park Chippendale Darling Harbour Darlinghurst Darlington Dawes Point ...
www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/WhatsOn/suburbs.htm - 2k -
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