Ante un Estado susente...

12:50 Aug 2, 2018
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Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - International Org/Dev/Coop / ONGs
Spanish term or phrase: Ante un Estado susente...
Ante un Estado ausente, la propuesta superadora puede surgir de la sociedad civil....

Es un documento sobre las ONGs cubriendo necesidades que el Estado no cubre. Varias veces he encontrado esta construcción y nunca me he sentido cómoda con la solución.
¿Alguno de ustedes tiene una buena traducción?
Es para una publicación de trabajos que se presentaron en un congreso de ciencias sociales.

Desde ya, muchas gracias.
Mariana Gutierrez
Local time: 22:51


Summary of answers provided
4 +3In the face of an absent state
patinba
4 +2with an absent state
Charles Davis
3In the absence of the state,
Wendy Streitparth


  

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1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
In the face of an absent state


Explanation:
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Apr 26, 2017 - In Malawi, where traditional healers are important in the face of an absent state in rural parts of the country, they wield tremendous influence.
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https://researchbank.swinburne.edu.au/.../PDF (Published ver...
the south can become victims and targets for organised crime in the face of an absent state and protective laws. In an existing state of difficulty most graphically ..

patinba
Argentina
Local time: 22:51
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Estimado, cierro la respuesta sin puntaje porque no considero ninguna de las respuestas mejor que la otra. Te agradezco mucho el tiempo que te tomaste para responder.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ana Vozone
3 mins
  -> Thank you!

agree  MPGS: :-)
4 mins
  -> Thank you!

neutral  Charles Davis: I don't think "in the face of" works in this context (despite the examples). Maybe "faced with", but "in the face of" implies confrontation, which seems incompatible with absence.
30 mins
  -> It is just the same as "in the presence of" and no more incompatible or paradoxical than being "with an absent state"

agree  Robert Forstag: I do not see a problem with “in the face of” here.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Robert!
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
with an absent state


Explanation:
I prefer this. "Absent state" is fine; it's a well-established expression. The question is what to do with "ante". I think here, as in many cases, it doesn't imply a response but simply an attendant condition. You might say "in the presence of an absent state", but of course that would be comically paradoxical.

"With an absent state" is idiomatic and neat, in my view.

"With an absent state Cochabambans knew what they needed to do to meet their personal water needs"
https://books.google.es/books?id=osPgCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA...

"With an absent state, the mine operators are seen as the solution to the state's neglect"
http://globalextractionnetworks.com/?p=817

"Thus, with an absent state, my research examines how the international sporting organisations should be accountable"
http://opiniojuris.org/2015/08/18/emerging-voices-the-intern...

Alternatively, you might say "In the absence of the state"; you can find a number of examples of this online with the same meaning.

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 03:51
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 52
Notes to answerer
Asker: Estimado, cierro la respuesta sin puntaje porque no considero ninguna de las respuestas mejor que la otra. Te agradezco mucho el tiempo que te tomaste para responder.

Asker: Estimado, cierro la respuesta sin puntaje porque no considero ninguna de las respuestas mejor que la otra. Te agradezco mucho el tiempo que te tomaste para responder.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: Or "if the state is absent".
8 mins
  -> Thanks, Phil :-) Yes, I think so.

agree  AllegroTrans: Or 'absent the state...'
21 mins
  -> Thanks, Chris :-) If you like!
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
In the absence of the state,


Explanation:
My suggestion.

In the absence of the state, a village in Mopti region takes security into its own hands
http://sahelien.com/en/mali-in-the-absence-of-the-state-a-vi...

My experience of living in Russia through the 1990s made me aware of how, in the absence of the state, what really mattered were human relationships.
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/life-on-the-divide-t...

Or:

If the state fails

The court decided that if the state fails to act to reduce emissions and prevent climate change in accordance with international law then it is failing in its duty of care.
https://www.hglaw.co.uk/site/blog/public-law/ground-breaking...

If the state fails to execute the judgment, the committee decides what measures to take which, as a final sanction, can include expulsion from the Council of Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/dec/05/dna-databas...

If the state fails to deliver on these expected obligations, Russians are more likely to support politicians who promise social order and stability ...
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/71687/1/blogs.lse.ac.uk-Why Russias...

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 03:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: Charles has already said this.
1 hr
  -> Oh yes, so he did. I certainly prefer it to his original suggestion.
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