Oct 3, 2003 19:55
21 yrs ago
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Spanish term

plaza pública

Non-PRO Spanish to English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature La dialog�a invertida - Bajtin
el lenguaje de la plaza pública, ámbito propicio del carnaval, es grosero e injurioso

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town square

Bakhtin was a theorist, but when he writes about things like the "town square" or the "market" or the "carnival", he literally means "town square" and "market" and "carnival", unlike Habermas' "public sphere".

Two other semio-spatial devices: the square and the coffee
house
From a theoretical point of view, ***the square has acquired more fame than the boulevard, at least if it can be identified with the market place. The latter is of course a pivotal
image of Michail Bakhtin’s work,**** although the modernity to which he ascribes it starts
manifesting itself already during the Middle Ages.
http://www.arthist.lu.se/kultsem/pdf/Urbanism.pdf

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... The Place of Space in Narration 45–6. In this way, for example, the marketplace or ****town square in medieval literature is, according to Bakhtin,***** “a symbol ...
www.byu.edu/sasslink/pdf/71_2/vanderlieta.pdf

****Bakhtin****, the great Russian writer who attempted to resist the evils of Stalinism, captured the existential essence of carnival when he wrote: \"The carnival involves the suspension of all hierarchical precedents. Rank, especially evident at official feasts...was absent at the carnival. At official feasts.... everyone was expected to appear in the full regalia of his calling, rank, and merits, to take the place corresponding to his position. Official feast thus is a consecration of inequality. The carnival undermines the official feast. During the carnival, all were considered equal. In ****the town square***** a special form of free and familiar contact reigned among people whom do the barriers of caste, property, profession, and age usually divide.
www.newhouseofisrael.com/rp_soulprints.htm

... 34) Similarly, while official feasts consecrated inequality, ****Bakhtin**** says, all were considered equal during carnival. Here, in the ****town square,**** a special form ...
www.ncte.org/pdfs/subscribers-only/tetyc/0291-sept01/TE0291...

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agree sileugenia
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agree verbis
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public square

that's it

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agree Nikki Graham : yes, straightforward.
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many thanks, Nikki!
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Spanish term (edited): plaza p�blica

open market

I believe this is how we would say it

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Spanish term (edited): plaza p�blica

street language

while this is literally "public square" it's what we would in the U.S. call "street language"

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language spoken in public places

This is actually pretty hard to say in English..especially when he throws in FAIR or CARNIVAL which were traditionally held outside the city walls, or, sometimes, next to the steps of the cathedral, and that was a public places...

I think plaza has to be taken in a general sense of place rather than a town square...I don't think vulgarity is particularly associated with town squares...maybe with market places ....
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Spanish term (edited): plaza p�blica

marketplace

Essays By Bakhtin
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Bakhtin
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farce speech

or 'low farce speech/(language)' is implied and meant here (I used to read the works by BAKHTIN in the original). Medieval roots of the subject are expressed here. But it was pleasant to read my colleagues' answers & you won't make a great mistake by choosing any of them. Hope that helps. It's quite pleasant to get to know about his popularity abroad in many countries. Good luck, cecilia anrriquez!
Re.: own experience

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speech/(language) of the marketplace/(fair) are the closest that convey the menaning of the Russian original. It\'s not /(urban) slang in this particular context surely, \'street language\' could be applied for the US-audience, but I doubt if it\'s precise enough. It could be described as a mixture \"town & rustic speech\", but just seems to be too long.
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Spanish term (edited): plaza p�blica

street language / urban slang

STREET LANGUAGE: The study and application of Street Communication,
Commonly referred to as Black English, Urban Slang, and Ebonics.
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1 day 18 hrs

street talik, carnavalesque-like, is gross and insulting

sometimes much easier in spanish than in english
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