Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jun 26, 2003 10:10
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Spanish term
zona noble
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Para ello [construcción de un casino] hubo de ser demolida la zona noble del Hotel y reconstruida para ubicar la mayor sala de juegos de España y sus servicios complementarios
What is the zona noble of a hotel????? I've been googling and some hotels have it on the ground floor, while others have it on the first floor, but I still don't know what it is. One site has translated it as the 'most richly decorated floor'and another, calls the 'planta baja' the, wait for it, 'slowly plant', hahahahahahaha, so I don't think they will be much help.
What is the zona noble of a hotel????? I've been googling and some hotels have it on the ground floor, while others have it on the first floor, but I still don't know what it is. One site has translated it as the 'most richly decorated floor'and another, calls the 'planta baja' the, wait for it, 'slowly plant', hahahahahahaha, so I don't think they will be much help.
Proposed translations
(English)
5 +3 | public area | Martin Perazzo |
4 +2 | VIP area(s) | Parrot |
4 | see referances | susanagonz |
3 | reception rooms | moken |
3 | foyer | JudyK |
4 -2 | just a hint | verbis |
1 | Lobby | Luz Dumanowsky |
Proposed translations
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public area
The "zonas nobles" of a hotel are simply the public areas (lobbies, sitting rooms, restaurant, etc.) as opposed to the guest rooms and private areas (kitchen, administrative offices, etc.).
In many tourist brochures you'll find "aire acondicionado sólo en zonas nobles", meaning there's a/c only in the public areas, and individual rooms aren't air-conditioned.
HTH,
Martin
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:44:28 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:22:02 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:23:40 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 13:14:06 (GMT)
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A couple of sites where you can check out the meaning:
http://www.grandmarinahotel.com/esp/facilities_contents.htm
http://www.hmontreal.com/logoimatges/serveis.html
http://www.es.laterooms.com/es/L6938.html
http://www.ifacanarias.es/castellano/dunamar.htm
In many tourist brochures you'll find "aire acondicionado sólo en zonas nobles", meaning there's a/c only in the public areas, and individual rooms aren't air-conditioned.
HTH,
Martin
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:44:28 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:22:02 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:23:40 (GMT)
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In many Spanish hotels they also speak of the \"planta noble\", which is the floor - generally the ground floor - where most of the public areas and facilities are located.
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Note added at 2003-06-26 13:14:06 (GMT)
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A couple of sites where you can check out the meaning:
http://www.grandmarinahotel.com/esp/facilities_contents.htm
http://www.hmontreal.com/logoimatges/serveis.html
http://www.es.laterooms.com/es/L6938.html
http://www.ifacanarias.es/castellano/dunamar.htm
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks a lot. This makes sense."
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8 mins
VIP area(s)
just an approximate suggestion (if it's to include the "palco presidencial" in a soccer stadium...)
Peer comment(s):
agree |
verbis
: yes, means "expensive" ;))))))
20 mins
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neutral |
Martin Perazzo
: Not in the context of hotels, where the use of "zona VIP" is widespread (at least in Spain)
23 mins
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agree |
Connie Ibarzabal
: either suites or special lounges they are still vip area
2 hrs
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agree |
Jorge Rubino
16 hrs
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disagree |
Samuel Sebastian Holden Bramah
: That, in Spain, at least, would usually be called a "Reservado", a "Zona reservada", a "Zona exclusiva" or a "Zona VIP".
6970 days
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12 mins
reception rooms
hi mj
from the definitions and descriptions i've found, this may be what you are looking for. perhaps you know of a better name for these areas in english, but i think "reception area/s" could be a bit confusing.
i got the idea combining these two notions:
Gobierno de Aragón
... Se han dispuesto cuatro grandes áreas: Zona noble o de representación, zona de servicio al público, dependencias para la asesoría y zona de servicios ...
www.aragob.es/pre/cido/armijo.htm - 7k - En caché - Páginas similares
Palacio de Miramar.Zona Noble
Salón Blanco Entrar, Salón de Música Entrar, Salón de Madera Entrar. Petit
Salón Entrar, Biblioteca Entrar, Comedor Real Entrar. Página de Inicio.
www.sc.ehu.es/scrwwwsu/Miramar/Noble1.html - 4k - En caché - Páginas similares
suerte, saludos y sonrisas,
álvaro
from the definitions and descriptions i've found, this may be what you are looking for. perhaps you know of a better name for these areas in english, but i think "reception area/s" could be a bit confusing.
i got the idea combining these two notions:
Gobierno de Aragón
... Se han dispuesto cuatro grandes áreas: Zona noble o de representación, zona de servicio al público, dependencias para la asesoría y zona de servicios ...
www.aragob.es/pre/cido/armijo.htm - 7k - En caché - Páginas similares
Palacio de Miramar.Zona Noble
Salón Blanco Entrar, Salón de Música Entrar, Salón de Madera Entrar. Petit
Salón Entrar, Biblioteca Entrar, Comedor Real Entrar. Página de Inicio.
www.sc.ehu.es/scrwwwsu/Miramar/Noble1.html - 4k - En caché - Páginas similares
suerte, saludos y sonrisas,
álvaro
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Samuel Sebastian Holden Bramah
: I agree with this in part. The Miramar one is spot on, since it is referencing parts of the palace such as conference or event halls
6970 days
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25 mins
Lobby
Me parece que hace referencia al "lobby" o vestíbulo del hotel.
Robot Mallorca - La técnica más humana - ... de Ingeniería y Obras diseño un Sistema de ... medida de las necesidades del Hotel, gestionando los ... Agua Caliente Piscinas, Climatización Zona Noble, Fan-Coils ...
Robot Mallorca - La técnica más humana - ... de Ingeniería y Obras diseño un Sistema de ... medida de las necesidades del Hotel, gestionando los ... Agua Caliente Piscinas, Climatización Zona Noble, Fan-Coils ...
Reference:
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27 mins
just a hint
it means the area of the where the most expensive rooms are or used to be (for instance the rooms for kings and queens, "Royal Suites", etc.)
hth
ciao
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:39:59 (GMT)
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p.s.: rooms and facilities
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:41:29 (GMT)
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pp.ss.: it is a pity you do not have to render it into Italian;)))))))
(zona nobile)
nice week-end to everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:33:42 (GMT)
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ppp.sss.: leave it in spanish within inverted commas, ahah, maybe it is a solution;))))))))))))))))))))
hth
ciao
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:39:59 (GMT)
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p.s.: rooms and facilities
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Note added at 2003-06-26 10:41:29 (GMT)
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pp.ss.: it is a pity you do not have to render it into Italian;)))))))
(zona nobile)
nice week-end to everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Note added at 2003-06-26 11:33:42 (GMT)
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ppp.sss.: leave it in spanish within inverted commas, ahah, maybe it is a solution;))))))))))))))))))))
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Martin Perazzo
: Not that at all
5 mins
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ell, that's YOUR opinion;))))))
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disagree |
Samuel Sebastian Holden Bramah
: No, this is totally wrong on all accounts. And adding this with that 4/5 "certainty rating" is just bad nettiquette
6970 days
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44 mins
foyer
if it is in fact the communal area that is referred to here, then maybe foyer would be better
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Martin Perazzo
: The foyer would be just one of the "zonas nobles", as other communal areas are included in the definition (TV lounge, bar/restaurant, lobby, gym/weight room, etc.)
30 mins
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yes, I see what you mean, thanks
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4 hrs
see referances
These are some of the descriptions I've found and it seems as if the "zona noble" is the public area on the ground floor. This will be reception, bar, restaurant...
Lobby could be a solution but it is not exactly the same.
A hall, foyer, or waiting room at or near the entrance to a building, such as a hotel or theater
(www.dictionary.com)
Lobby could be a solution but it is not exactly the same.
A hall, foyer, or waiting room at or near the entrance to a building, such as a hotel or theater
(www.dictionary.com)
Reference comments
6970 days
Reference:
Two very clear references that explain what a Zona Noble is right now, and where the concept came from through the past.
According to the Glossary issued by the INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE LAS CUAIn terms of the Tourism, Hospitality and MICE sector, and according to a glossary drawn up by the Instituto Nacional De Las Cualificaciones, belonging to the Dirección General De Formación Profesional, one of the departments of the Secretaría De Estado de Educación, Formación Profesional y Universidades de España, this is the definition.
Zona Noble:
Son aquellas áreas de un hotel que pueden ser utilizadas por todos los clientes y no son habitaciones. Se dividen en zonas de uso común (hall de recepción, pasillos, sala de restaurante, entre otros) y salones para la celebración de eventos.
So, the public and common areas that are not guest floors or the workplaces of staff (kitchen, laundry, etc).
After a tiny bit of research that took all of 3 minutes, I would venture that the origin of this goes back to the times before we had widespread and globalised tourism, so, think great castles, lords and ladies, Downton Abbey, etc.
Historically, the Zonas Nobles of a dwelling are the areas of a house that were used by the main occupants of the house and any visitors they may choose to entertain, as opposed to the domestic staff and servants or other employees. The basement and a certain portion of the lowest floor, and the highest up floor, the attic and the eaves of a building would be where the household staff would work and live.
A fascinating Argentinian dictionary published by Diario de Arquitectura de Clarin, called Diccionario de Arquitectura en la Argentina, further consolidates this concept. Under the definition of COCINA [kitchen] (starting on page 92), we find a mention of “zona noble” (p. 94) to clearly differentiate it from all the areas used by the household staff (i.e.: kitchen), in houses occupied by the gentry (initially) and then later by the up-and-coming bourgeoisie:
“Dentro del esquema clásico que rige la organización en altura de estos tipos de Vivienda [here, the argentine “Casa de Patios”], el plano tierra es donde invariablemente se ubica la cocina. Este primer nivel constituye el basamento de servicios sobre el que se apoya la zona noble de la casa, dando cabida a todas aquellas dependencias involucradas en el abastecimiento y mantenimiento de la misma, y dotándosela por lo general de un acceso independiente.”
It has since evolved to what it is today, a concept used to refer to the parts of a building that are open to the public, visitors, guests, etc., and that are not occupied by people working. I use “working” here, to make this a broader definition, because we can find a “Zona Noble” in somewhere as unwelcoming as a factory or a power plant, or somewhere maybe friendlier like a small, rural hotel. In all cases, it would mean the same: the area of the building or complex that can be construed as accessible to all, unaccompanied by staff and that is not the workplace of an employee.
LIFICACIONES belonging to the DIRECCIÓN GENERAL DE FORMACIÓN PROFESIONAL, which is one of the departments of the SECRETARÍA DE ESTADO DE EDUCACIÓN, FORMACIÓN PROFESIONAL Y UNIVERSIDADES,
Zonas nobles: Son aquellas áreas de un hotel que pueden ser utilizadas por todos los clientes y no son habitaciones. Se dividen en zonas de uso común (hall de recepción, pasillos, sala de restaurante, entre otros) y salones para la celebración de eventos.
Zona Noble:
Son aquellas áreas de un hotel que pueden ser utilizadas por todos los clientes y no son habitaciones. Se dividen en zonas de uso común (hall de recepción, pasillos, sala de restaurante, entre otros) y salones para la celebración de eventos.
So, the public and common areas that are not guest floors or the workplaces of staff (kitchen, laundry, etc).
After a tiny bit of research that took all of 3 minutes, I would venture that the origin of this goes back to the times before we had widespread and globalised tourism, so, think great castles, lords and ladies, Downton Abbey, etc.
Historically, the Zonas Nobles of a dwelling are the areas of a house that were used by the main occupants of the house and any visitors they may choose to entertain, as opposed to the domestic staff and servants or other employees. The basement and a certain portion of the lowest floor, and the highest up floor, the attic and the eaves of a building would be where the household staff would work and live.
A fascinating Argentinian dictionary published by Diario de Arquitectura de Clarin, called Diccionario de Arquitectura en la Argentina, further consolidates this concept. Under the definition of COCINA [kitchen] (starting on page 92), we find a mention of “zona noble” (p. 94) to clearly differentiate it from all the areas used by the household staff (i.e.: kitchen), in houses occupied by the gentry (initially) and then later by the up-and-coming bourgeoisie:
“Dentro del esquema clásico que rige la organización en altura de estos tipos de Vivienda [here, the argentine “Casa de Patios”], el plano tierra es donde invariablemente se ubica la cocina. Este primer nivel constituye el basamento de servicios sobre el que se apoya la zona noble de la casa, dando cabida a todas aquellas dependencias involucradas en el abastecimiento y mantenimiento de la misma, y dotándosela por lo general de un acceso independiente.”
It has since evolved to what it is today, a concept used to refer to the parts of a building that are open to the public, visitors, guests, etc., and that are not occupied by people working. I use “working” here, to make this a broader definition, because we can find a “Zona Noble” in somewhere as unwelcoming as a factory or a power plant, or somewhere maybe friendlier like a small, rural hotel. In all cases, it would mean the same: the area of the building or complex that can be construed as accessible to all, unaccompanied by staff and that is not the workplace of an employee.
LIFICACIONES belonging to the DIRECCIÓN GENERAL DE FORMACIÓN PROFESIONAL, which is one of the departments of the SECRETARÍA DE ESTADO DE EDUCACIÓN, FORMACIÓN PROFESIONAL Y UNIVERSIDADES,
Zonas nobles: Son aquellas áreas de un hotel que pueden ser utilizadas por todos los clientes y no son habitaciones. Se dividen en zonas de uso común (hall de recepción, pasillos, sala de restaurante, entre otros) y salones para la celebración de eventos.
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