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English translation: Gallego trovaresco. escrito por Alfonso X

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05:27 Jan 7, 2001
Spanish to English translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary
Spanish term or phrase: Rosa das rosas, et fror das frores, dona das donas, sennor das sennores...
From The Game of Kings by Dorothy Dunnet

This peom appeared at the end of a love letter.
Becky
English translation:Gallego trovaresco. escrito por Alfonso X
Explanation:
1.
Escrito, en gallego troavadoresco, por Alfonso X El Sabio:

\"Rosa das rosas et fror das frores,

Dona das donas, Señora das Señores,

Rosa de beldade e de parecer

e fror de alegría e de prazer...\"

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.pntic.mec.es/mem/av...

Some relevant extracts that might help you in deciding an appropriate translation:

Escribió las cantigas en gallego porque esta lengua adquirió, sin perder su esencia primitiva, el carácter de verdadero idioma literario durante la Edad Media. Estas composiciones estaban destinadas a ser cantadas en las iglesias para edificación moral del pueblo....(...) Es muy clara la influencia en las cantigas de la poesía provenzal francesa, de la que imita fundamentalmente la métrica, y de las leyendas marianas de la Edad Media.
Su prosa trazó el camino de don Juan Manuel y los autores posteriores.

2.
See also this poetry page:
http://www.sojourn.org/spring98/html/rosatext.html

Rose among roses and flower/blossom among flowers/blossoms,

Woman among women, lady among ladies

Rose of beauty and aspect

And flower of joy and pleasure

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naGallego trovaresco. escrito por Alfonso XxxxLia Fail
naThe rose of all the roses, and the flower of all flowers, the lady of the ladies and the gentlemanMaria McCollum
naSee below
Agua
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Explanation:
"Rose of roses, flower of flowers, woman among women, (lady of ladies), gentleman of gentlemen". This is the literal translation, it would mean the best among them. However, most of the poem refers to a woman, whereas the last bit talks of men, I believe it is a missprint, and it should be "lady among ladies", as I put in parenthesis.

Also, this could only be old Spanish (Galaico-Portuguese), or Portuguese.

Agua
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Explanation:
"Rose of roses, flower of flowers, woman among women, (lady of ladies), gentleman of gentlemen". This is the literal translation, it would mean the best among them. However, most of the poem refers to a woman, whereas the last bit talks of men, I believe it is a missprint, and it should be "lady among ladies", as I put in parenthesis (sennora das sennoras).

Also, this could only be old Spanish (Galaico-Portuguese), or Portuguese.

Agua
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2 hrs
The rose of all the roses, and the flower of all flowers, the lady of the ladies and the gentleman


Explanation:
One of a kind!
The Rose of all roses and the flower of all flowers, the lady of all the ladies and the gentleman of the gentlemen...

La rosa de todas las rosas y la flor de todas las flores, la dama de todas las damas y el senor de los senores.

Sorry for the (n) in senor/senores.
I Love old castillian! Still sounds beautiful in modern Spanish. Don't you agree? ;-)


    Own experience just to translate documents dated of the 1500's ( old castillian)into modern Spanish.
Maria McCollum
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8 hrs
Gallego trovaresco. escrito por Alfonso X


Explanation:
1.
Escrito, en gallego troavadoresco, por Alfonso X El Sabio:

\"Rosa das rosas et fror das frores,

Dona das donas, Señora das Señores,

Rosa de beldade e de parecer

e fror de alegría e de prazer...\"

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.pntic.mec.es/mem/av...

Some relevant extracts that might help you in deciding an appropriate translation:

Escribió las cantigas en gallego porque esta lengua adquirió, sin perder su esencia primitiva, el carácter de verdadero idioma literario durante la Edad Media. Estas composiciones estaban destinadas a ser cantadas en las iglesias para edificación moral del pueblo....(...) Es muy clara la influencia en las cantigas de la poesía provenzal francesa, de la que imita fundamentalmente la métrica, y de las leyendas marianas de la Edad Media.
Su prosa trazó el camino de don Juan Manuel y los autores posteriores.

2.
See also this poetry page:
http://www.sojourn.org/spring98/html/rosatext.html

Rose among roses and flower/blossom among flowers/blossoms,

Woman among women, lady among ladies

Rose of beauty and aspect

And flower of joy and pleasure



xxxLia Fail
Spain
Local time: 04:15
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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