chamullentos (IN THIS CONTEXT)

English translation: frauds

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Spanish term or phrase:	chamullentos (IN THIS CONTEXT)
English translation:	frauds
Entered by:	Stuart Allsop

03:17 Aug 13, 2006

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Spanish term or phrase: chamullentos (IN THIS CONTEXT)

This term occurs in a sarcastic speech that attacks the new administration of a company, after a major change in the board of directors. This specific comment is part of a "speech within a speech", where the speaker is repeating, in a heavily sarcastic manner, what he says is the view of "new management" regarding their own experts vs. everyone else.

The exact context is:

"...llegaron los inteligentes, los vivos, los únicos que entienden de la economía moderna, asesorados por el único Master verdadero de la escuela de economía de los navales brillantes, Doctor (name of person), el resto de Master son fuleros y ***algunos comprobados chamullentos*** (medio comprados y harto copiado)..."

I'm trying to come up with a good English colloquial term that fits "chamullentos" in this context.

Stuart Allsop KudoZ activity Questions: 552 (8 open) (1 without valid answers) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 840 Chile
Local time: 01:17

Bullshitter

Explanation:
A few ideas:

bullshitter
liar
speak gibberish / Gibberish Master

chamullento, ta. 1. adj. coloq. Chile. Que habitualmente utiliza expresiones confusas para desorientar a su interlocutor. (RAE)

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The following might give you more ideas.

chamullo (Chi fam)

(mentira) cock and bull story
(expresión confusa) gibberish
(acción ilícita) fiddle; scam

chamullar (Chi fam)
(contar cuentos) to tell stories
(hablar) to talk; (de manera confusa) to burble on

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Since this is a speach, wouldn't use "bullshitter".

I'd probably go with liars.

HTH

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Speech!!

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In Argentina, and depending on context, 'chamuyar' has the connotation of persuasive speech or smooth talk.

It's also used alot in the context of oral exams at university (when students don’t know much about what they are asked, but they still manage to make sth up.) Other related terms are versear, guitarrear, zanatear or sanatear.

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How about:

"el resto ... son fuleros" = the rest are frauds / liars

"y algunos comprobados chamullentos (medio comprados y harto copiado)" = known cheats

the order is altered but the meaning is all there -

Enough from me now :)

Selected response from:

A Hayes (X)
Australia
Local time: 15:17

Grading comment

Thanks to everyone for the GREAT input on this one! All of the suggestions and comments were VERY helpful, and much appreciated. In the end, the arguments of MEW and Alejandra illuminated the concept for me, and I decided to use "frauds" here, as it fits both possible interpretations: Either the degrees or the people could be called "frauds".
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +4

scammers

Henry Hinds

Bullshitter

A Hayes (X)

charlatans

Marina Herrera

Discussion entries: 6

Answers

39 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

scammers

Explanation:
algunos comprobados chamullentos = some of whom were known scammers

Sí, es de Chile, y me acuerdo que se aplicaba mucho a los "comerciantes chamullentos", "scamming merchants". Salen con cual cuento y te pelan...

Henry Hinds
United States
Local time: 23:17
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 92

1 hr confidence:

charlatans

Explanation:
I think charlatan may even be borrowed from the Sp. as a variant of chamullento. Both deceives and talks to confuse to take advantage of other people's ignorance or trust.

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Charlatan defined as a quack or fraud; or who makes fraudulent claims about his expertise.

Marina Herrera
Local time: 01:17
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 6

32 mins confidence:

Bullshitter

A Hayes (X)
Australia
Local time: 15:17
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Sp-EnTranslator: Couldn't say about the register, but the idea gets through.//In RD we'd say "allantoso", "mueloso", "chanchullero", "bultero"...and many more

8 mins

-> thanks, Claudia. I was just trying to explain the meaning and the answer posted itself before I could finish writing... I think "bullshitter" wouldn't be appropriate for a speech (though that's exactly what it is).

agree

Flavia Scafatti

25 mins

-> Thanks, Flavia -

disagree

María Eugenia Wachtendorff: Hola, Ale. ¡Qué linda foto! :) Por favor, mira mi nota arriba. El sujeto son los Master Degrees, de "los demás". La redacción es pésima, pero estoy acostumbradísima a traducir el "estilo" chileno y, después de leer detenidísimamente, sostengo mi nota.

35 mins

-> La clave está en “ASESORADOS por el único Master verdadero...Doctor (name)” /... you'd hardly say 'prevaricator'

disagree

Marina Herrera: bsrs are egotists, full of hot air, not necessarily what is implied in a chamullento

46 mins

-> Thanks, Marina. Bullshit (n) foolish talk; nonsense / (v) to talk nonsense, esp. confidently in order to deceive, persuade, or get admiration -

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