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18:17 Jan 16, 2001
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents
Spanish term or phrase: See below, please
In a certification of various identification credentials, a Mexican notary public says that a photocopy will be added to "el numérico de esta notaria." What is a "numérico"?

Also in the text are several names of "licenciados." How do you handle, for instance, "Lic. Fulano..." Do you say "Fulano..., Atty.?"

In the phrase "Notario Público Titular de la Notaria No. 5" how is "Titular" usually translated?

Finally, referring again to the photocopies of credentials, who can help me smooth this out in English: "como generales reproducen las manifestadas en el contenido del escrito materia de la ratificación"

Deadline Wednesday. Thank you all very much.
Robert R. Anderson
English translation:Varias respuestas a continuación:
Explanation:
numérico = índice numérico = journal of notarial acts

" Do you say "Fulano..., Atty.?" I think that's a good solution.

"Notario Público Titular de la Notaria No. 5". Public Notary No. 5. Some notaries prefer the longwinded formula; others simply call themselves 'Notario Público No. -'

Generales = datos generales = personal information to facilitate identification(name, place, date of birth, citizenship, etc. etc.)
You'll probably be able to improve this, but the last bit would be something along the lines of: 'As proof of their identity, they present copies of the documents (certificates, maybe)referred to in the document being ratified.'
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naNumerico/ licenciado/notario/titular...delamaza
naSee Belowxxxtrans4u
naI hope is not too late! SuerteMaria McCollum
nanumerico = registry, file; Lic. Fulano = Fulano, Esquire or Atty.; Titular = holder, Chief
BelkisDV
naRe: licenciado
Gillian Hargreaves
naSee belowIvan Sanchez
naVarias respuestas a continuación:
Robert Dillon
naSee belowxxxOso
naSee below
Agua


  

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Explanation:
"numérico": number (in the numerical order)
"Lic.": MA or BA (or MSc,...after the name, depending on the type of graduate s/he is)

como generales reproducen las manifestadas en el contenido del escrito materia de la ratificación": they reproduced the ones in the content of the text that is being ratified"

Good luck,
Mar

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Explanation:
'El numérico de ésta Notaría': It's a particular number assigned to each Notary Public, as ID.
'Licenciados': Counselors.
'Como generales reproducen las manifestadas en el contenido del escrito materia de ratificación':
These are exact reproductions of the ones contanied in the original document being ratified herein.
Luck!

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Explanation:
numérico = índice numérico = journal of notarial acts

" Do you say "Fulano..., Atty.?" I think that's a good solution.

"Notario Público Titular de la Notaria No. 5". Public Notary No. 5. Some notaries prefer the longwinded formula; others simply call themselves 'Notario Público No. -'

Generales = datos generales = personal information to facilitate identification(name, place, date of birth, citizenship, etc. etc.)
You'll probably be able to improve this, but the last bit would be something along the lines of: 'As proof of their identity, they present copies of the documents (certificates, maybe)referred to in the document being ratified.'



    Lots I guess, but here's one I haven't seen quoted before: Dictionary of Mexican Legal Terminology, J. Becerra
Robert Dillon
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Explanation:
For "Licenciado" Attorney would be the best option.
For "Titular" the word would be "Acting" (Acting Notary Public)
For the last phrase:
"As proof of identification see enclosed copies of mentioned documents."

Greetings from OSO ¶:^)



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7 hrs
Re: licenciado


Explanation:
Best omitted altogether, I think. In the UK at least we'd just say Mr X unless his title/status or whatever was really significant.

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numerico = registry, file; Lic. Fulano = Fulano, Esquire or Atty.; Titular = holder, Chief


Explanation:
I would need more information on the last question, such as the entire sentence or paragraph.

Good luck!
Belkis


    Diccionario de Terminos Legales - Louis A. Robb (printed in Mexico)
    Diccionario Juridico Butterworths
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13 hrs
Numerico/ licenciado/notario/titular...


Explanation:
Hi,

Considering this is Mexican Spanish, here are my suggestions:

Numérico could be \"register\" o register number\". You can try the Mexican Embassy just to be sure - ever thought of that? (They sometimes help you)

Licenciado, just call him/her Lic. X (like Dr. they may or may not be an attorney in US terms)

Notario Público, etc. I call them \"Notary Public, incumbent of Notary Office No. XX\" , nobody has objected so far.

\"Como generales...\" I can smooth it out if you will give me some more text, I need a noun for \'generales\' and a subject for \'reproducen\'.

Good luck!

Maria-Jose


    years of translating similar things...
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Explanation:
"El Número de esta Notaría¨ is a Numerical recording system or recording in numerical order.

I agree with Vasco on his translation except that I would change "the ones" for "the written material" so it would read thus: "these are exact reproductions of the written material contained in the document being ratified herein."

Good Luck!



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21 hrs
I hope is not too late! Suerte


Explanation:
numerico> en mexico > keypad . Esta es la unica traduccion que puedo darte he buscado en todos sitios y no he encontrado nada, a mi me parece Spanglish... si, se usa esa palabra en Mejico pero con la definicion que te he dado. Otra palabra ( claro) es Numeral
Notaria > as a profession > notary
> also > legal fees
>office> notary's office
"Lic. Fulano..." lic: licenciado> lawyer, proffecional man, licentiate.
Fulano: (so-and-so) or (John Doe)
"Notario Público Titular de la Notaria No. 5" how is "Titular" > holder of an office, security holder, owner of record.
titulado; licensed, registered, certified.
In this case I would use "Certified" Public notary...
"como generales reproducen las manifestadas en el contenido del escrito materia de la ratificación"
SUCH AS THE REPRODUCTION OF THIS MANIFESTS ( DECLARATIONS) IN THE CONTENT OF THE WRITTEN MATERIAL
This may be too late. I hope it helps ;-)


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