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queda prohibido imponer, por simple analogía, y aun por mayoría de razón,

English translation: In criminal cases one cannot impose, based on simple analogy, or even based on compelling logic,

02:20 Jul 8, 2003
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Spanish term or phrase: queda prohibido imponer, por simple analogía, y aun por mayoría de razón,
En los juicios del orden criminal queda prohibido imponer, por simple analogía, y aun por mayoría de razón, pena alguna que no este decretada por una ley exactamente aplicable al delito que se trata.

¡Gracias por sus ideas!
Luis Rey Ballesteros (Luiroi)
Local time: 00:56
English translation:In criminal cases one cannot impose, based on simple analogy, or even based on compelling logic,
Explanation:
I just don't think "by reason of majority" makes it here. Rather, I think "razon" is used in the sense of logic.

Not sure of this one. Not a formulation that I've seen.

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Another thought as to why I don\'t like the \"majority\" idea here. In civil law jurisdictions criminal cases typically are tried before a single judge, not a panel of judges, and there is no jury. So for the life of me I can\'t figure out what \"majority\" the author could be referring to.
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Paul Slocomb
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5 +1See answer below
DonQuijote
3 +3In criminal cases one cannot impose, based on simple analogy, or even based on compelling logic,
Paul Slocomb
5 +1Mi aportación
Henry Hinds
5it is prohibited to impose, by simple analogy and even by reason of a majority in the voting,
María Eugenia Wachtendorff
5it is prohibited to impose by simple analogy, or thrhough the reasoning of the majority, any penalty
Connie Ibarzabal
5Read below.
Esther Hermida
4It is prohibited to impose, by simple analogy, or even by extensive interpretation,
Patrick Weill


  

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See answer below


Explanation:
In these cases of a criminal nature it is prohibited to impose, by simple analogy and, futhermore, by reason of a majority, and penalty ...

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CORRECTION: ... any penalty ...

DonQuijote
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agree  ConstanzaG
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it is prohibited to impose, by simple analogy and even by reason of a majority in the voting,


Explanation:
HTH

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Luis, tengo la sensación de que en el párrafo que nos das hay un error: \"y aún por mayoría de razón\". No le encuentro sentido. ¿Podría ser una mala traducción del inglés al castellano?
Sería interesante que nos dijeras de qué tipo de documento o literatura se trata.

María Eugenia Wachtendorff
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In criminal cases one cannot impose, based on simple analogy, or even based on compelling logic,


Explanation:
I just don't think "by reason of majority" makes it here. Rather, I think "razon" is used in the sense of logic.

Not sure of this one. Not a formulation that I've seen.

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Note added at 2003-07-08 13:17:09 (GMT)
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Another thought as to why I don\'t like the \"majority\" idea here. In civil law jurisdictions criminal cases typically are tried before a single judge, not a panel of judges, and there is no jury. So for the life of me I can\'t figure out what \"majority\" the author could be referring to.


    Experience.
Paul Slocomb
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agree  María Eugenia Wachtendorff: You may be right, Paul, it does make sense as you put it. However, the original is not clear enough.
8 mins
  -> Agreed, the original isn't the most sparkling Spanish I've ever seen.
agree  claudia bagnardi: lousy Spanish, but typical of procedural texts. I like Esther's idea of "mere common sense" also
9 hrs
  -> Yes, lousy, and yes, Esther's idea is intriguing.
agree  Lesley Clarke: A late agreement, but your interpretation agrees with the translation in my Meexican dictionary, congratulations!
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Mi aportación


Explanation:
In criminal trials it is not permissible by simple analogy or even by majority opinion, to impose any penalty that has not been ordered by a law that is precisely applicable to the crime involved.

Suerte.


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Art. 14, Constitución Política de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos (parcial).


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Henry Hinds
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agree  María Eugenia Wachtendorff: ¿No les decía yo que era así de fácil?
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  -> ¡Es mexicano, por eso!
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it is prohibited to impose by simple analogy, or thrhough the reasoning of the majority, any penalty


Explanation:
Reasoning: opinions and ideas that are based on logical thinking. "The reasoning behind this decision...": Oxford Dicionary

Connie Ibarzabal
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Read below.


Explanation:
In criminal trials it is prohibited, by simple analogy and (or)mere common sense, to impose a sentence that is not determined by law to fit the crime.

Una versión más, pero creo que se apega a las instrucciones que un juez le da a un jurado. Y esto me suena como tal.


Esther Hermida
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It is prohibited to impose, by simple analogy, or even by extensive interpretation,


Explanation:
See Kathryn L.'s excellent answer here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/3194273

Razón here means, cause, motive, or Ratio Legis. Reason for the law.


    Reference: http://www.monografias.com/trabajos42/interpretacion-ley-pen...
Patrick Weill
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