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English translation: John Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith...

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12:05 Aug 2, 2000
Spanish to English translations [Non-PRO]
Law/Patents
Spanish term or phrase: por sí
Fulano de tal, por sí y en representacion de Bill Smith.

Does this mean he is present and represented by Bill Smith?

Thank you
Carolina Ramirez
Canada
Local time: 21:05
English translation:John Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith...
Explanation:
"Fulano de tal" = "Mr. So-and-So" or (the usual British/American legal formula) "John Doe."

The standard Latin term used when an individual is appearing on his own behalf is "pro se" (not "per se"). If he were appearing alone, you could certainly say "John Doe, pro se". However, with Bill Smith in the picture, the English sentence is much smoother if you simply say "John Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith..." rather than "John Doe, pro se and also representing Bill Smith," which is fairly clumsy.
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Heathcliff
United States
Local time: 18:05
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Very well explained.

Thank you

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Summary of answers provided
naJohn Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith...Heathcliff
naHimself.
Luis Luis
naper se
Elinor Thomas
naNo, he is actually representing himself and representing Bull Smith.
Agua
naSee below
Baruch Avidar


  

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7 mins
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Explanation:
I would say in English:

Somebody, on behalf of himself and representing Bill Smith( or in representation of Bill Smith).

Good luck!

Baruch Avidar
Israel
Local time: 04:05
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 92

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18 mins
No, he is actually representing himself and representing Bull Smith.


Explanation:
Good luck,
Mar

Agua
Spain
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27 mins
per se


Explanation:
it means on behalf of himself and in representation of Bill Smith...

but I would ask the specialists in Law/Patents if the latin expression "per se" is also used.

Hope this helps! :)

Elinor Thomas
Local time: 22:05
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PRO pts in pair: 247

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35 mins
Himself.


Explanation:
So and so representing himself and Bill Smith...



Buena suerte,

Luis M. Luis

Luis Luis
United States
Local time: 20:05
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1 hr
John Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith...


Explanation:
"Fulano de tal" = "Mr. So-and-So" or (the usual British/American legal formula) "John Doe."

The standard Latin term used when an individual is appearing on his own behalf is "pro se" (not "per se"). If he were appearing alone, you could certainly say "John Doe, pro se". However, with Bill Smith in the picture, the English sentence is much smoother if you simply say "John Doe, representing himself and Bill Smith..." rather than "John Doe, pro se and also representing Bill Smith," which is fairly clumsy.


    Black's Law Dictionary (6th ed., 1992)
Heathcliff
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Local time: 18:05
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Very well explained.

Thank you

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