reducciones indígenas

English translation: Indian reservations

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Spanish term or phrase:	reducciones indígenas
English translation:	Indian reservations
Entered by:	Henry Hinds

01:36 Jul 21, 2005

Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. / South American Indians

Spanish term or phrase: reducciones indígenas

About a monument in Santiago, Chile, erected in memory of the Araucan warrior Caupolicán:

"At a time when the remote great-grandchildren of Caupolicán [...] left to fester in faraway *reducciones indígenas*, what could be more convenient for the elites who wanted to differentiate [...] from the former Spanish rulers than to resurrect alternative ancestors under the guise of the noble savage..."

Is this the same thing as the Indian reservations of North America?

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Indian reservations

Explanation:
Is this the same thing as the Indian reservations of North America?

Yes it is, "reducciones" is the term they use in Chile.

Selected response from:

Henry Hinds
United States
Local time: 20:52

Grading comment

Gracias! (Sorry, I can't make the upside down exclamation mark :-)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

Indian reservations

Henry Hinds

4 +1

reducciones indígenas (see expl.)

Patricia Rosas

4 +1

indigenous communities

Muriel Vasconcellos

Discussion entries: 5

Henry Hinds

United States

It appears that your solution is a good one considering the audience. There must be many situations there that would be hard for us to understand as well.

06:19 Jul 22, 2005

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06:14 Jul 22, 2005

You might have wondered - and really sorry for I couldn't think of it earlier: I've asked this to you, because there's virtually no active Kudoz community in the Spanish>Turkish direction.

I was not considering translating 'reducciones indigenas' anyway, as the author himself left it in Spanish in an English text (he's Chilean, though, thus might have thought there would be no exact equivalent). I was just wondering whether this was the same, or more or less the same thing as the Northern reservations - fine nuances between the two wouldn't matter much to a readership at the other end of the world. And after all, there's no established Turkish word for 'reservation' in this sense, either.

I had already formed the sentence as '... blahblah's called reducciones indigenas...' and was looking for a term to replace 'blahblah'. Community would sound obfuscating: 'left to fester in faraway reducciones...' So, I'm going to use a word that means just 'settlement' without any context, but is always used for the isolated and forced -in one way or another- resettlement of a minority group.

I am grateful to all the help provided, by answerers and peer graders alike. Thank you everyone.

Patricia Rosas

United States

I think my solution is adequate for your situation: use the Spanish term and in parentheses explain what it is (not simply an indigenous community but an government-sanctioned enclave.) Also, it would have helped if you'd told us your language pair.

14:37 Jul 21, 2005

Henry Hinds

United States

If you are translating into Turkish, then the problem may be greater. The concepts the target audience might have could be very different. Good luck!

04:18 Jul 21, 2005

Non-ProZ.com

Just for the record:

02:58 Jul 21, 2005

Patricia, thank you for your link, but unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. And, Muriel, "comunidades indigenas" wouldn't translate easily for me, I am translating from English to Turkish :-)

Answers

2 mins confidence:

reducciones indígenas

Indian reservations

Explanation:
Is this the same thing as the Indian reservations of North America?

Yes it is, "reducciones" is the term they use in Chile.

Henry Hinds
United States
Local time: 20:52
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 132

Grading comment

Gracias! (Sorry, I can't make the upside down exclamation mark :-)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Philippe Maillard

32 mins

-> Gracias, Philippe.

disagree

Carl Stoll: Reducciones were governed by Spanish friars and were organised as productive entities. they weren't just a geographical area set aside for a certain ethnos. Better call them "reducciones" and explain in a footnote. The "indígena" part is otiose.

1 hr

-> Such differences go with the territory; however, they have ended up being similar enough that I think "reservations" will do just fine for the normal reader.

neutral

jrb: as it's ultimately going into Turkish, it doesn't matter here, but I don't approve of the use of the word "Indian" to refer to native/indigenous/tribal people (whether or not the name still persists with the US reservations)

8 hrs

-> I suppose then that the question really doesn't matter at all!

4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

reducciones indígenas reducciones indígenas (see expl.)

Explanation:
Here is a link that discusses it Chile (and a Google search turns up a lot of information: http://www.mapuche.info/mapuint/calbu01.htm

I think I'd put the term in italics and in parentheses say (similar to Indian reservations in the United States).

Patricia Rosas
United States
Local time: 19:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 56

19 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

reducciones indígenas indigenous communities

Explanation:
With the option of adding "(similar to North American Indian reservations)."

This is getting confusing, so I hid my first answer -- people didn't see that I changed it after I found out that the asker is translating into Turkish. Patricia's reference talks about "Comunidades Indigenas" (with initial caps) and adds "reducciones indigenas" in explanatory parentheses.

It was a slip when I said "Indian" in my first answer; I normally use "indigenous." However, I would still say "North American Indian," though Jessica might object.

I'm not looking for points; I'm just trying to untangle the communication!

Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 19:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 305

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