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Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | @ Teresa

Mario Freitas — Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:39:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Mario Freitas
Post title: @ Teresa

I used to think the same way and I hated CATs, and I was entirely against them, etc., etc., just like you. When I finally gave up and decided to try one, it took me a little while, but I adapted my work to it.

Today, I can guarantee you two things:

1. I translate at least twice as many words per day with the CAT than I did without it. You save A LOT of time not researching and not typing. Imagine how faster you can type if you only need to type the two or three first letters of each word + Enter? Imagine how much time you save not having to search for a term or expression you have translated three years ago, and you don't have to search again because it's in the TM. If you didn't have the CAT, you wouldn't remember it.

2. I would have lost (or not even get) about half the clients I have today if I didn't have a CAT. First of all because I wouldn't have time for all the jobs I am able to do today. Second, because I wouldn't have any of the clients that require a CAT or a TM or a document in a CAT format.

My reluctance proved to be very undue and wrong.

[Edited at 2017-06-28 16:41 GMT]

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | The question is misleading.

Mario Freitas — Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:30:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Mario Freitas
Post title: The question is misleading.

Of course the asker meant that specific client's TM and that specific project's TM. No client would be dumb enough to ask you for your historical TM, would they?

And this poll has been discussed several times before.

If the client asks for the TM of their specific jobs/projects, not providing it is a very undue attitude of the translator. That's because the client can easily align the pairs of the original document with the translation you provided and generate a TM exactly like the one you refused to provide.

So the client is asking you to provide something they already have, only to save them the work and time... and you refuse it?? You're running the risk of not being hired by that client again.

[Edited at 2017-06-28 16:33 GMT]

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | @Teresa

DZiW (X) — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:49:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: DZiW (X)
Post title: @Teresa

- I don't like cats!
- Oh, you just can't cook it properly!

Joking apart, it's not a matter of fashion, but sometimes--a necessity: a backup, a prompt (TU/glossary) and a hint (concordance), a better QA, a cooperation and unification, a file format converter, and so on.

Besides fuzzy-pricing abuse, the major issue for me is a strict segmentation vs. fluency, which is mitigated, say, via a paragraph segmentation.

[Edited at 2017-06-27 10:42 GMT]

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Just for the record...

Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:41:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
Post title: Just for the record...

[quote]Wilsonn Perez Reyes wrote:

[quote]Teresa Borges wrote:

No CATs, no TMs!

[Edited at 2017-06-26 08:15 GMT] [/quote]

Teresa, I hate to see people say they do not like cats*.

I USED to HATE cats. But that was because I had never had one before. If you have never owned a cat you will surely hate them all. Now I have 5 cats and I adore each of them. They are like the human children I still do not have.

Teresa, I hope you reconsider your opinion of cats (in general) in the near future.

Greetings from San Salvador, El Salvador.
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*I know that you refer to Computer Assisted Tools (CATs), not the animals per se, but still...

[Edited at 2017-06-27 02:48 GMT] [/quote]

Even if I prefer dogs to cats, I don't hate cats (the animal) but I have a deep dislike of CATs.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Cats, again!

Wilsonn Perez Reyes — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:20:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Wilsonn Perez Reyes
Post title: Cats, again!

[quote]Teresa Borges wrote:

No CATs, no TMs!

[Edited at 2017-06-26 08:15 GMT] [/quote]

Teresa, I hate to see people say they do not like cats*.

I USED to HATE cats. But that was because I had never had one before. If you have never owned a cat you will surely hate them all. Now I have 5 cats and I adore each of them. They are like the human children I still do not have.

Teresa, I hope you reconsider your opinion of cats (in general) in the near future.

Greetings from San Salvador, El Salvador.
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*I know that you refer to Computer Assisted Tools (CATs), not the animals per se, but still...

[Edited at 2017-06-27 02:48 GMT]

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | bombastic words

DZiW (X) — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:30:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: DZiW (X)
Post title: bombastic words

- Trados only required!
- Why Trados and which version?
-Oh, that's it... We know it better! Alright.
. . .
- TM required!
- Which format and what for--maybe the alignment would do?
- Oh, that's it... Yes, we know it! Alright then.

For some 15 yrs I have encountered such requests just a couple of times--and never again)
I don't mind sending a client his project TM, yet those who really need it already know how to get it easy peasy.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Let everybody have your all

Thayenga — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:13:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Thayenga
Post title: Let everybody have your all

[quote]Chris S wrote:

... along with my PC, printer and the keys to my house

That said, nobody has ever dared ask

[Edited at 2017-06-26 12:45 GMT] [/quote]

:D

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | ditto

Graeme Walle (X) — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:32:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Graeme Walle (X)
Post title: ditto

[quote]Edith van der Have-Raats wrote:

... only of the actual assignment itself. In any case they could easily obtain this - within a minute for delivery as xliff, and otherwise still possible by alignment. I never ever send TMs with other translations that I have not done for that particular client. [/quote]

ditto

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Only if requested prior to starting

Laura Pinto — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:53:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Laura Pinto
Post title: Only if requested prior to starting

The client must specify in the email that they want the TM. Then I create a TM exclusively for their project.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Of course...

The Shredder — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:44:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: The Shredder
Post title: Of course...

... along with my PC, printer and the keys to my house

That said, nobody has ever dared ask

[Edited at 2017-06-26 12:45 GMT]

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Depends on the nature of the project

Vuka Mijuskovic — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:48:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Vuka Mijuskovic
Post title: Depends on the nature of the project

Once I even purchased recommended literature to complement my translation service, as the presentation of my translation depended on my client's understanding and fluency. It was a success.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | "Mine" or "theirs"?

Guilherme R Basilio — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:57:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Guilherme R Basilio
Post title: "Mine" or "theirs"?

[quote]ProZ.com Staff wrote: "Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?" .[/quote]

The question is misleading. My projects are mine, hence the TM is mine, while the client's job is his/her; I provide in TM format, if requested.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | No

Gianluca Marras — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:19:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Gianluca Marras
Post title: No

no.. my TM is MY TM
If they want to update their TM they need to provide it first and I will updated it for them (while working on their translation)

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Bilingual files or TM exports

Christine Andersen — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:55:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Christine Andersen
Post title: Bilingual files or TM exports

Like others, I always provide a TM export or a bilingual file of the specific project if the client is interested. Agencies usually are, direct clients usually have no way of using them.

I may also make a separate TM of a larger project with several instalments, which can be shared with colleagues or whatever.

But certainly not my personal TMs!

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | No

neilmac — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:31:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: neilmac
Post title: No

Nobody gets my TMs. My precious,... :)
(No, seriously, I don't think they'd be much help to anyone else).
I might occasionally share specific TMs with my 2 regular, trusted collaborators, although it'd be a rare occurence.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | TMs from other/previous projects before the start of a new project?

Jan Truper — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:04:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Jan Truper
Post title: TMs from other/previous projects before the start of a new project?

I'm not sure if I understand the question the way it is intended -- I understand it this way:
"Do you provide your clients with your own TMs *from other or previous projects before the start of a new project*?" (I. e., the client would be able to use my own TMs from previous projects to possibly lower the adjusted word count of a new job.)

If this is what the question is aiming for, the answer is "absolutely not". My TMs are my treasure; they are materialized experience that I can use for my own gain, if I choose to.

Obviously, the client can compile their own TM from my work on their jobs, and in server-based CAT work this will happen automatically anyway.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Yes

Julian Holmes — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:53:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Julian Holmes
Post title: Yes

Of course, I send back a return package if they provide me with a package that they have made the effort to set up and put together in the first place.
Otherwise, it's none of their business what means and measures I opt for to give them a quality job. Stands to reason, dunnit.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Yes

CasaPhil — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:51:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: CasaPhil
Post title: Yes

When working with CAT tools (and it's always the case), I always provide the TM export/bilingual files (as appropriate) about projects customers pay for.

If the question asks whether you give away your TMs indiscriminately, I'm not sure why anybody would do that.

Philippe

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | No

Khanda — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:41:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Khanda
Post title: No

Because:

1. Nobody ever asked me,
2. Never had a TM.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Yes, but ...

Edith van der Have — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:38:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Edith van der Have
Post title: Yes, but ...

... only of the actual assignment itself. In any case they could easily obtain this - within a minute for delivery as xliff, and otherwise still possible by alignment. I never ever send TMs with other translations that I have not done for that particular client.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Definitely no

Rita Utt — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:32:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: Rita Utt
Post title: Definitely no

I believe in intellectual property.
When translating difficult texts you tend to loose money in the beginning because you have to establish the right terminology. Only when you get translations on the same topic / for the same client afterwards, you start earning money. So you shouldn't hand out your TMs because it makes it easy to source out further texts to cheaper and less qualified translators.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | One CAT (her name is Mittens) but no TMs

writeaway — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:27:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: writeaway
Post title: One CAT (her name is Mittens) but no TMs

And my CAT isn't allowed anywhere near the computer.

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them? | Other

Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:14:00 +0000

Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?

ProZ.com Staff — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:10:02 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: Do you provide your clients with your TMs related to your projects if they ask for them?
Poster: ProZ.com Staff

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