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How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Thanks for your clarification

CafeTran Trainer — Wed, 18 Jan 2023 07:48:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: Thanks for your clarification

[quote]Ivan Chamme wrote:

I'm not really looking for a software that can do the extraction automatically but I'm not being able to convert a TM with 50000 segments into a sdlxliff and display the segments to go throughout it and extract the terms myself in the editor view. [/quote]

Since you seem to be open for other software, here is a demo with CafeTran Espresso with a TMX file with 412345 segment pairs open. There is no need to convert to SDLXLIFF: just open the TMX file and click on the source and target terms that you want to add to your glossary. You can convert this glossary to a Multiterm termbase with Glossary Converter from the RWS AppStore.

Demo:

Note to the Moderator: The OP has indicated that he is open for third-party software to accomplish his task.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | File type definition for TMX

Stepan Konev — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:44:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: File type definition for TMX

[quote]Ivan Chamme wrote:
What is this memoQ function specifically?[/quote]Open a document in memoQ, navigate to the Preparation tab, cick Extract Terms:
[url= [url removed] ][img] [url removed] [/img][/url]

However, if you only need to open a TM in a 2-column format, you can convert your TM into TMX and then open it in Trados as a regular translatable file using this [url= [url removed] ]downloadable TMX file type[/url].

[color=#FF0000]UPDATE[/color]
With 50000 TUs, you probably may need this [url= [url removed] ]SDLXLIFF SplitMerge[/url] plugin too. It splits and merges sdlxliff files. Once both plugins installed, import your tmx file and click batch tasks to run the 'Split the selected files' task.
I could open a 343290-segment TM but it emits errors. I think 10 batches, 5000 TUs each, will suffice.

[Edited at 2023-01-17 13:19 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Let me clarify

Ivan Chamme — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:48:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Ivan Chamme
Post title: Let me clarify

I'm not really looking for a software that can do the extraction automatically but I'm not being able to convert a TM with 50000 segments into a sdlxliff and display the segments to go throughout it and extract the terms myself in the editor view. It'd be wonderful to have a tool that attempts to do it automatically.

Thank you

[Edited at 2023-01-17 08:49 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Yet another CAT tool

CafeTran Trainer — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:33:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: Yet another CAT tool

[quote]Ivan Chamme wrote:

Just asking, can I download this tool as an isolated app or is it part of another CAT tool? [/quote]

It is one of the first CAT tools around.

BTW: In the Translator's Toolbox there recently was a mention of a terminology extraction SAAS.

[quote]How to use Sketch Engine to extract terminology from a document or parallel texts in just a few clicks (Column by Josh Goldsmith)
Ever received a hundred-page document and needed to find the key terms for your assignment – without reading the whole thing? 🤯

Or found a document and its translation, and wished you could use technology to automatically extract the key terminology from both versions?

You can!

In this article, I'll unpack how to use Sketch Engine's OneClick Terms to extract terms in no time flat.[/quote]

Source: Tool Box Journal, Issue 22-12-343

[Edited at 2023-01-18 07:12 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Tooa many questions 😳 sorry

Ivan Chamme — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:31:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Ivan Chamme
Post title: Tooa many questions 😳 sorry

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

[quote]Samuel Murray wrote:
I believe MemoQ does this on-the-fly (using available translation memories), but I don't think MemoQ allows you to save the terminology so extracted.[/quote]It does allow to save the terminology so extracted, but it won't translate it too. And it is quite expectable because memoQ can't say which target word is the equivalent of the source. It only inserts translations where the candidate term is already a true term.
[url= [url removed] ][img] [url removed] [/img][/url] [/quote]

What is this memoQ function specifically?

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Question

Ivan Chamme — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:23:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Ivan Chamme
Post title: Question

[quote]Hans Lenting wrote:

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

I don't know how to do that with Multiterm, but you can use a plugin for that.
Try [url= [url removed] ]this video[/url]. [/quote]

But you’ll have to translate the extracted terms manually. She didn’t even use the concordance…

See here for an alternative approach:
[url removed]

[Edited at 2022-11-16 23:17 GMT] [/quote]

Just asking, can I download this tool as an isolated app or is it part of another CAT tool?

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | N

Ivan Chamme — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:19:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Ivan Chamme
Post title: N

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

I don't know how to do that with Multiterm, but you can use a plugin for that.
Try [url= [url removed] ]this video[/url]. [/quote]

IDK if it can help me with the translation memories I have. I mean, can I open TMs as a sdlxliff file?
What I know.is that this tool comes in handy for pretranslation terminology search in order to keep consistency during translation properly.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | DeepMiner

CafeTran Trainer — Mon, 26 Dec 2022 11:05:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: DeepMiner

It seems to me that Transit's Dynamic Linking is similar to Déjà Vu's DeepMiner.

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How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Secret

CafeTran Trainer — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 18:09:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: Secret

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

Is it a secret? The first sentence of the article reads: Dynamic Linking works like a multilingual concordance search. It displays all the segments which contain particular pairs of terms. [/quote]

Hahaha, secret? I meant the technology behind DL. Something like:

[url removed]

[Edited at 2022-12-24 18:09 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | @Stepan

Samuel Murray — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 13:50:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Samuel Murray
Post title: @Stepan

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:
It does allow to save the terminology so extracted, but it won't translate it too. And it is quite expectable because memoQ can't say which target word is the equivalent of the source. [/quote]
Okay, well, from my perspective, while translating, it certainly appears as if MemoQ is making guesses about what the possible translations of the terms can be (it shows this in the translation memory view pane), and sometimes the guesses are correct and sometimes they are wrong... and sometimes, as you say, MemoQ shows only the source text of a potential term, without a corresponding guess about what its translation might be.

This type of guessing would work better in some language pairs than in others. Both my source and target languages (English and Afrikaans) are from broadly similar branches of the language tree. The only difficulty with Afrikaans is that Afrikaans writes compound nouns as single words (e.g. "document alignment" is one word in Afrikaans, but it still consists of the stem "document" and the stem" alignment", so a clever tool might be able to run a partial dictionary attack on the target segment and determine what "document" and "alignment" are in Afrikaans, or what the Afrikaans for "file alignment" and "segment alignment" might be). And if a word in the English text is preceded by an article, odds are it would be preceded by an article in Afrikaans, too.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Secrets of DL operation

Stepan Konev — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: Secrets of DL operation

[quote]Hans Lenting wrote:
I'm wondering whether you have discovered how DL works.[/quote]Is it a secret? The first sentence of the article reads: Dynamic Linking works like a multilingual concordance search. It displays all the segments which contain particular pairs of terms.
I mean it can be difficult to parse single words because of different syntax in different languages. For example, in Japanese they often omit pronouns. How can you parse a pair of terms when you have only one in your TM. The same applies to the Russian language. "Put your hands on your head" translates to "Руки за голову" (put and 2×your omitted).
However I admit I could misunderstand something. That's why I said I probably have to try it first [before I judge it].

[Edited at 2022-12-24 15:48 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | @Stepan

CafeTran Trainer — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:21:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: @Stepan

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

Ok, I have read the article but I still don't understand how it (the DL mechanism) can judge which word in target segment is an equivalent term considering different syntax in different languages... The autosuggest engine processes longer phrases to make a suggestion—that is clear to me. But how can it parse single words? Probably I have to try it first to understand how it works. [/quote]

I'm wondering whether you have discovered how DL works.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | manual but done as efficiently as possible

James Plastow — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:27:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: James Plastow
Post title: manual but done as efficiently as possible

I would probably:
- make a 2 column table in Word with the source and target sentences
- highlight the source word and corresponding target word in each row manually (if there were two or more keywords in one sentence I would insert extra rows)
- use Word Advanced Find and Replace to delete everything other than the highlighted words
- convert that table of words to a termbase

I don't think there is any automated tool that would be able to do this.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Update

Stepan Konev — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:02:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: Update

Ok, I have read the article but I still don't understand how it (the DL mechanism) can judge which word in target segment is an equivalent term considering different syntax in different languages... The autosuggest engine processes longer phrases to make a suggestion—that is clear to me. But how can it parse single words? Probably I have to try it first to understand how it works.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Concordance

Stepan Konev — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:49:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: Concordance

[quote]Hans Lenting wrote:
She didn’t even use the concordance…[/quote]She didn't, but why can't you? :)

[Edited at 2022-11-17 10:59 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | RE: MemoQ does this on-the-fly

Stepan Konev — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:31:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: RE: MemoQ does this on-the-fly

[quote]Samuel Murray wrote:
I believe MemoQ does this on-the-fly (using available translation memories), but I don't think MemoQ allows you to save the terminology so extracted.[/quote]It does allow to save the terminology so extracted, but it won't translate it too. And it is quite expectable because memoQ can't say which target word is the equivalent of the source. It only inserts translations where the candidate term is already a true term.
[url= [url removed] ][img] [url removed] [/img][/url]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Can't

Samuel Murray — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 06:18:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Samuel Murray
Post title: Can't

[quote]Ivan Chamme wrote:
I'd like to extract the bilingual terminology... [/quote]
I don't think this is possible with Trados. I believe MemoQ does this on-the-fly (using available translation memories), but I don't think MemoQ allows you to save the terminology so extracted.

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:
Try [url= [url removed] ]this video[/url]. [/quote]
That video shows monolingual terminology extraction.

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | Manually

CafeTran Trainer — Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:04:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: CafeTran Trainer
Post title: Manually

[quote]Stepan Konev wrote:

I don't know how to do that with Multiterm, but you can use a plugin for that.
Try [url= [url removed] ]this video[/url]. [/quote]

But you’ll have to translate the extracted terms manually. She didn’t even use the concordance…

See here for an alternative approach:
[url removed]

[Edited at 2022-11-16 23:17 GMT]

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm? | ProjectTerm Extract

Stepan Konev — Tue, 15 Nov 2022 16:49:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Stepan Konev
Post title: ProjectTerm Extract

I don't know how to do that with Multiterm, but you can use a plugin for that.
Try [url= [url removed] ]this video[/url].

How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?

Ivan Chamme — Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:00 +0000

Forum: Trados support
Topic: How to extract terminology from aligned documents using Multiterm?
Poster: Ivan Chamme

Hello,
I have aligned several EN and ES Word documents, and I'd like to extract the bilingual terminology using Multiterm. I do not find MT options on the alignment interface. What options do I have?
I have also tried from the TM interface after importing the aligned segments into the selected TM.

Thank you!