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Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | post edit

Angie Garbarino — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:59:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Angie Garbarino
Post title: post edit

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:

[quote]Angie Garbarino wrote:

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:

Running MTPE rate in my language pair is $0.01. That fair? [/quote]

I translate to Italian and nobody offered me 0.01, never [/quote]

Italian is not in my language pairs. [/quote]

I meant post edit, as this was the topic

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Shaped parts

Denis Fesik — Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:47:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Denis Fesik
Post title: Shaped parts

[quote]As an example: “terminally sterilized” in some EU texts has been translated as “fully sterilized”. It is nonsense because the product can be either sterile or not. Here it means sterilized at the end as apposed to aseptic process involving already sterile components. Some translators mindlessly copy the EU translation thus potentially causing confusion in the target text. This was a reference to certain regulations and could cause a specialist to apply wrong guidelines and lead to failure and/or spend more time and effort to correct mistakes[/quote]

If you ever read about shaped parts of pipelines, you can confidently infer that you're reading a translation (most probably from Russian), and that the things in question are pipeline fittings. I've seen these shaped parts so many times that I had to write about it in our work chat. The irony is that most MT engines know that фасонные части = fittings. It's just that too many hoomans begin to think about rolled shapes (shaped sections), фасонный прокат, when seeing this expression. They don't like to look things up in a dictionary, so they just write "shaped parts." AI has serious competition (as far as mistranslation is concerned) from certain people who pretend to be translators. The best translation I've seen are odd-shaped pipeline parts

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | understanding is crucial in specialist texts

Kaspars Melkis — Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:42:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Kaspars Melkis
Post title: understanding is crucial in specialist texts

[quote]Denis Fesik wrote:

Why do so many people spend so much time defending a thing that doesn't understand the meaning of what it translates? [/quote]

It could be because most translators are not reading the texts they translate. I don't mean consulting some manual of a new device but real reading a specialist text as a professional.

A lot of translations I work on, I actually use in my practice. It is rare that I would read the whole summary of product characteristics (drug information) but I often use it as a reference and consult certain sections. Most commonly indications/contrindications, adverse reactions, storage requirements etc. Only when you have difficulty to comprehend what is being said, you realize how important it is to ensure not only linguistic perfection and no accuracy mistakes but also readability. I am usually under time pressure and I want clear information that requires minimum effort to comprehend. Any readability issues can lead to errors and wrong professional judgement.

It is likely that not many texts in translation industry require such high level of fidelity. But those that do, will require full understanding of every word and sentence. No wonder that machine translation is ill-suited for such type of work.

As an example: “terminally sterilized” in some EU texts has been translated as “fully sterilized”. It is nonsense because the product can be either sterile or not. Here it means sterilized at the end as apposed to aseptic process involving already sterile components. Some translators mindlessly copy the EU translation thus potentially causing confusion in the target text. This was a reference to certain regulations and could cause a specialist to apply wrong guidelines and lead to failure and/or spend more time and effort to correct mistakes.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Rarity of combination

Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:33:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD
Post title: Rarity of combination

[quote]Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD wrote:

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

Complete bullocks, but it's only to my personal benefit that translators keep on believing (or even experiencing) that. So please, go ahead! [/quote]

It might stronly depend on the language combination, don't you think? [/quote]

I think the language structure is only one factor. More importantly, the corpus of translations from and into English probably offers much more for quality MT than rarer combinations.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Boring

Denis Fesik — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 12:01:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Denis Fesik
Post title: Boring

Why do so many people spend so much time defending a thing that doesn't understand the meaning of what it translates? All it can do is use a dictionary for individual words and collocations and make chains out of them. When I get a new translation test to check, I expect to see those word chains rather than living language and I'm surprised every time I see signs of human intelligence at work. While being extremely rare, these signs shine to me even when they are buried under a pile of bad translation habits. Most translators prefer to do word chains, and that's where modern MT engines beat them (but they still don't know it and want to get paid for their word chain exercises). I always believed my job was to understand the meaning of a sentence (at least at a level sufficient for translation) and then just forget about its structure and invent a way to express the same ideas in the target language that would make it easy for the reader to understand. This has been my principle from the very beginning. And there's a huge gap between word chains and no-compromise translation, so I wasn't paltering when I wrote in another post that my work speed didn't change after I abandoned MT. Someone else's experience may be different depending on the language pair and the kind of texts they usually deal with. MT outputs are profoundly boring. I guess it can be a workable choice for someone who usually translates boring texts and is okay with delivering boring results. When I comment on candidates' test translations, I always give examples of my own translations of the same test—and they are always, always contrastingly different because I don't do word chains. Woe me, if MTPE is a skill, then I lack it

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Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | my own experience

Kaspars Melkis — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 10:05:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Kaspars Melkis
Post title: my own experience

I don't do MTPE but recently I experimented with it.

My brother installed solar panels and bought an inverter that came with a manual only in English. As he doesn't speak or read any English, he asked me if I could help to translate it as he was unsure about some configuration options.

I told him that the translation of >5000 words would normally cost at least 500 euros. It really isn't worth for me to translate it professionally but I could try to use MTPE to see how much easier it would be to do.

I found the manual online in pdf format, unfortunately generated as a hard image. I used OCR and it produced a decent word file for translation. Then I decided to use MemoQ for machine translation because it has 30 day free trial. Next step was to select MT engine. I chose basic Google API because Google gives you 200 euro credit to try it for free.

I spent around 1 hour to figure out how to import API key into MemoQ and select all the options. And let it run.

The first impression was quite good. It produced a readable text which was basically correct. Only few issues, like 50 was converted into SO. I only had to proofread it. I used my time on plain and train and unfortunately it took me double the time than I had initially expected. I expected to spend 5 hours on proofreading and instead it was closer to 10 hours.

The main reason was inconsistencies. Google MT term usage was wildly inconsistent. As it was only an informal translation I didn't need to care about specific glossary or even occasional typos but it had to be understood to a technically inclined person. My brother sometimes corrects my usage of terms, so I had to research them before confirming.

Another things was that many MT translation sentences seemed to resemble poor translators who too closely follow the source sentence structure and produces translated sentences that can be understood but are not really fair to the reader. Some clients accept that because business needs require the cheapest possible solution that passed regulator threshold but I could not allow this for my brother. My reputation was at stake.

It is worth mentioning that the source text was also not perfect and had many typos. Funny that MT actually corrected many of them but the rest was easy to identify and correct. Clearly the Asian manufacturer who prepared the manual also was under financial pressure and most likely didn't hire the professional technical writers and let engineers to write and cheap support personnel to format it.

Unfortunately in the final output all the tables became garbled. That is a common problem when OCRing complex documents with tables. I suppose if it was a multilingual project, the project manager would have re-formatted the source document and distributing to translators to ensure smooth translation. I personally gave up because I hate formatting and concentrate mostly on translating issues. I gave my brother half formatted word doc and the table with sentence translations and told to use it with the original manual to figure out what each configuration option means.

Verdict: Good MTPE required almost as much time as a direct translation by a specialized translator. The business needs dictate that it will only be done in critical cases and the rest will be done as quickly and cheaply as possible at lower quality.

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Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | what content

Zea_Mays — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 09:21:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Zea_Mays
Post title: what content

[quote]Kay Denney wrote:

This induced the same sense of despair I feel when I'm asked to proof an AI- or MT-generated translation. It's not the real thing, it's an ersatz...[/quote]

That's why in my first comment I said "suited content". If used for repetitive, prosaic, non-creative content, MT is often of great help.
It is not made for creative content, or marketing or any content where you want to connect with the reader.
In the Jobs here on Proz I even saw agencies looking for post editors for machine translated literature...
Some people are actually stretching things, but if no one would accept working that way and for those rates, their path would end quite soon.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | .

Kay Denney — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 08:21:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Kay Denney
Post title: .

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:

I’d like to make a distinction between “effort” and “mental dumbing/exhaustion”. [/quote]

Mental dumbing, now that's a very pithy way of putting it.

A friend posted a thing on a social media showing that a robot had asked them to click on all squares showing traffic lights, to prove that they the friend were not a robot. Except that the picture didn't show any traffic lights, just a sign warning motorists that there were traffic lights ahead (so an icon-like picture of traffic lights). This induced the same sense of despair I feel when I'm asked to proof an AI- or MT-generated translation. It's not the real thing, it's an ersatz, it kind of looks real but if you're paying attention it really isn't, and it's gonna be hard work convincing the robot that it isn't, and it's hard work getting the text to sound and feel like a real human-generated text with a sense of warmth or wonder or whatever the text is supposed to convey. I'm not sure whether the headache I get is caused by the sense of despair or whether they are just very strongly correlated and either way dammit I have a headache and aspirin doesn't work on robot-induced headaches.

The bots are winning already, folks.

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Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Doesn't happen automatically

Dan Lucas — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:49:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Dan Lucas
Post title: Doesn't happen automatically

[quote]Laura Gentili wrote:
In addition I never see any adaptive learning, the MT keeps doing the same mistakes over and over, why?[/quote]
Improvements in the model require feedback to be fed into it and the model to be trained in some way, which takes time and effort (and compute power). That's a cost, possibly a significant cost.

If your clients are not in control of the model, or if they don't know how to fine tune it, or if they simply can't be bothered, the model will not improve over time.

Regards,
Dan

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | There is an extra variable

Gennady Lapardin — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:29:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Gennady Lapardin
Post title: There is an extra variable

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
Most teachers avoid this part of their job (correcting and grading papers) as it’s more exhausting than any other part, but those who accept do it, don’t call it a “skill”. [/quote]

...delivering MTPE top quality within a profitable time frame is defintely a skill. The reason why is quite simple: it's impossible without a lot of practice. [/quote]

There is an extra variable, the quality of reviewed MT. Any extras never detract, but add. A simple math. The only added "skill" in this situation is how good you're in the lotus posture in yoga

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Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Other

Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 19:47:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
Post title: Other

I refuse most of the MTPE jobs, I’m at the end of my career and I only accept the ones I find kind of enjoyable :eek: If the job in question requires double the effort, I’ll decline it. One of the MTPE jobs I’ve done was charged at full rate after long discussions, while others were charged at 50% my translation rate.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | My experience

Laura Gentili — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:45:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Laura Gentili
Post title: My experience

I do MTPE and standard translations. I don't know if it depends on the MT engine they use but the quality is very low, and post-editing is extremely tiring and time-consuming. In addition I never see any adaptive learning, the MT keeps doing the same mistakes over and over, why?
Laura

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | My experience is different

Vladimír Hoffman — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:43:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Vladimír Hoffman
Post title: My experience is different

[quote]Anton Konashenok wrote:

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

Is your MTPE rate at least 60-70% of your conventional translation rate? Then it's fair. In all other cases it's probably not. [/quote]

That's exactly where the problem is. The offers I see are all 30-40% (or even less) rather than 60-70%. [/quote]

The lowest MTPE rate I was offered was 50%, and, frankly, the MTPE quality was just enough to justify it. If the correct glossary is used during the translation process (possible, but not trivial), MTPE can significantly speed up the work. The assertion in the poll is simply absurd; even with old Google Translate two years ago, the average time savings were about 20%. Today's MT (especially DeepL) produces relatively decent quality.

I’m not thrilled with MTPE tasks, but it’s work, and it’s decently paid.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | It's the rate indeed

Anton Konashenok — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:26:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Anton Konashenok
Post title: It's the rate indeed

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

Is your MTPE rate at least 60-70% of your conventional translation rate? Then it's fair. In all other cases it's probably not. [/quote]

That's exactly where the problem is. The offers I see are all 30-40% (or even less) rather than 60-70%.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | 2/3

Lieven Malaise — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 13:25:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: 2/3

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
Running MTPE rate in my language pair is $0.01. That fair? [/quote]

I don't know anything about the rates in Croatia, but the absolute numbers are irrelevant. Is your MTPE rate at least 60-70% of your conventional translation rate? Then it's fair. In all other cases it's probably not.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Translate or post-edit?

Lingua 5B — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 13:23:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Translate or post-edit?

[quote]Angie Garbarino wrote:

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:

Running MTPE rate in my language pair is $0.01. That fair? [/quote]

I translate to Italian and nobody offered me 0.01, never [/quote]

Italian is not in my language pairs.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | strange

Angie Garbarino — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 13:06:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Angie Garbarino
Post title: strange

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:

Running MTPE rate in my language pair is $0.01. That fair? [/quote]

I translate to Italian and nobody offered me 0.01, never

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Foreign countries

Lieven Malaise — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 12:02:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: Foreign countries

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
I thought she meant you could discuss the price in your favor, if there were not many competitors. [/quote]

That's not how it works. We have a smaller population, so domestically competition is as fierce as anywhere else. And my rates are the same for domestic and foreign customers. I make no distinction.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Diff.

Lingua 5B — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:49:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Diff.

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
Dutch is a smaller language (re. supply). I used to work as a project manager, and we would commonly find a German supplier within 1 day, whereas for Dutch, it would take us weeks.[/quote]

I was talking about the quality of the machine translation output, because I thought that was what Ines meant. [/quote]

I thought she meant you could discuss the price in your favor, if there were not many competitors.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Formulation

Lingua 5B — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:47:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Formulation

[quote]Samuel Murray wrote:

It does cut revenue in half, but does not require twice the effort. [/quote]

The way the question is formulated.

I’d like to make a distinction between “effort” and “mental dumbing/exhaustion”.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | MT output

Lieven Malaise — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:46:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: MT output

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
Dutch is a smaller language (re. supply). I used to work as a project manager, and we would commonly find a German supplier within 1 day, whereas for Dutch, it would take us weeks.[/quote]

I was talking about the quality of the machine translation output, because I thought that was what Ines meant.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | No, but yes

Samuel Murray — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:45:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Samuel Murray
Post title: No, but yes

It does cut revenue in half, but does not require twice the effort.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Totally disagree

Lingua 5B — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:40:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Totally disagree

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

[quote]Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD wrote:
It might stronly depend on the language combination, don't you think? [/quote]

... for some. But I see no reason to believe Dutch would be some kind of exception. Anyway, if Dutch would be "special", so would German be. [/quote]

Dutch is a smaller language (re. supply). I used to work as a project manager, and we would commonly find a German supplier within 1 day, whereas for Dutch, it would take us weeks.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Perhaps...

Lieven Malaise — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:35:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: Perhaps...

[quote]Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD wrote:
It might stronly depend on the language combination, don't you think? [/quote]

... for some. But I see no reason to believe Dutch would be some kind of exception. Anyway, if Dutch would be "special", so would German be.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Question of language combination

Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:24:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Ines Radionovas-Lagoutte, PhD
Post title: Question of language combination

[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:

Complete bullocks, but it's only to my personal benefit that translators keep on believing (or even experiencing) that. So please, go ahead! [/quote]

It might stronly depend on the language combination, don't you think?

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Imo...

Lieven Malaise — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:14:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: Imo...

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
Most teachers avoid this part of their job (correcting and grading papers) as it’s more exhausting than any other part, but those who accept do it, don’t call it a “skill”. [/quote]

...delivering MTPE top quality within a profitable time frame is defintely a skill. The reason why is quite simple: it's impossible without a lot of practice.

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Absolutely

Gennady Lapardin — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:13:00 +0000

Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half. | Cutting the revenue, for sure

Lingua 5B — Sun, 13 Oct 2024 10:07:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: MTPE requires twice the effort (reading, analyzing, correcting) while cutting the revenue in half.
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Cutting the revenue, for sure

In my language pair, the revenue will be cut to the point it makes no sense to even start discussing it.

It’s also a tedious and mind-exhausting job. Also not sure what to add to my CV in the future: “I was correcting machine output”, that won’t impress anyone and won’t tell anything about my skills.

Some people call it a “skill”. It’s as much of a skill as correcting papers of students that are not particularly talented. Most teachers avoid this part of their job (correcting and grading papers) as it’s more exhausting than any other part, but those who accept do it, don’t call it a “skill”.