ProZ.com Translation Forums

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Espionage

Maria Laura Curzi — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:51:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Maria Laura Curzi
Post title: Espionage

[quote]Gjorgji Apostolovski wrote:

The article on one of the local websites here was: The end of social networks. AI uses your data on all Meta products. [/quote]

IMHO, all Meta does (named Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp or whatever) is BS espionage.
We all know there are zero ethics on its founder/owner, so it's logical for the company to act in the same way.

That's why I stopped using any of that trash, it collects millions of terabytes of private data from its users and who knows what it does with them.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Literature, poetry, etc.

Rachel Waddington — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:45:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Rachel Waddington
Post title: Literature, poetry, etc.

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:
At the other end of the scale, I think it will be a long time before AI can produce acceptable translations of literary texts, poetry, songs, or any medium where style is a crucial feature. Likewise anything that involves humour.
[/quote]

Those texts were always badly paid though and done more as a labour of love than a truly commercial proposition.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | @Maria

Gjorgji Apostolovski — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:21:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gjorgji Apostolovski
Post title: @Maria

The article on one of the local websites here was: The end of social networks. AI uses your data on all Meta products.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Not really

Maria Laura Curzi — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:18:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Maria Laura Curzi
Post title: Not really

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:

At the other end of the scale, I think it will be a long time before AI can produce acceptable translations of literary texts, poetry, songs, or any medium where style is a crucial feature. Likewise anything that involves humour.[/quote]

Not so long, this was posted last Tuesday > [url removed]

And then we learned that Meta used millions of pirated books to train its AI models.
This means their LLM is already “loaded” with tons of literary texts from different genres, styles, and authors, ready to start translating if they wanted to.
Add the ugly dark side of a multimillionaire tech giant deciding to use stolen material because “it was faster and cheaper.” Source: [url removed]

The ethics of those companies developing AI aren't trustworthy at all, so why would we believe in their selling AI speech telling it would be helpful for everyone?
I chose not to believe in thieves.

Plus, check out the results of the AI and Copyright Consultation made to authors > [url removed]
[quote]Creators’ livelihoods and the profession at risk

More than half of respondents (57%) do not consider their area of creative work to be a sustainable career, and 72% believe that their work opportunities as a creator have been negatively impacted by generative AI. While 14% thought that there had been an increase in their earnings, which they could attribute to the developments of generative AI technologies, 86% said that such developments had caused a decrease in their earnings. When it comes to feelings about how generative AI might impact creators, 11% are more optimistic than a year ago, 20% are neutral, but 69% are more pessimistic.[/quote]

It would be interesting to ask them, “If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?” and see if the results are so different from here.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | I agree with most of what you say but...

Dan Lucas — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 07:41:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Dan Lucas
Post title: I agree with most of what you say but...

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:
Anybody who translates without the assistance of MT nowadays is working with one hand tied behind their back.[/quote]
...it is a fact that some clients will not allow the use of MT. Their approach is that the potential advantages of the technology do not yet outweigh the disadvantages they perceive, either in terms of actual functionality or in terms of the privacy implications for sensitive documents.

If you're dealing with the filing of statutory documents containing material non-public information, how do you convince the regulatory authorities that the use of machine translation does not risk inadvertent disclosure to some unknown person?

When you're dealing with people who do not consider "Nah, Google says it's just fine, don't worry about it" to be a persuasive argument, it is a genuine issue. Of course, such clients and authorities may be wrong, and they may change their approach in the future, but for now, something like the above seems to be their attitude in my part of the market. I work with one hand behind my back, and so do my competitors.

Just to emphasize, I am not anti-AI/MT as such. I think the use of AI tools in translation could speed up my work significantly, although perhaps in areas peripheral to the actual translation of each segment of text. There are some tasks for which I think I can develop my own AI/MT tools that would not in any way violate the conditions placed on me by my clients, and lead to significant increases in efficiency.

I'm aware of course that the whole concept of "efficiency" is anathema to some translators, but I don't care.

Regards,
Dan

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Type of work

Philip Lees — Fri, 28 Mar 2025 05:58:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Philip Lees
Post title: Type of work

[quote]Gerard Barry wrote:

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:

Of course, for translators AI represents a threat, and that is unfortunate. But AI isn't going to put an end to the translation profession, any more than calculators and spreadsheets put an end to the accounting profession. [/quote]
I think you're wrong on this. Machine translation means that anyone wanting a text translated can enter this text into DeepL or whatever other programmes are out there and have the text translated instantaneously for much less than a human translator costs.[/quote]
It depends on the text. I think AI will take over all "nuts and bolts" translation and this process has already started, as you note above.

At the other end of the scale, I think it will be a long time before AI can produce acceptable translations of literary texts, poetry, songs, or any medium where style is a crucial feature. Likewise anything that involves humour.

As long as there's a demand for that kind of translation, translators who can provide it will still find work.

[quote]The only job left for translators in the era of machine translation is post-editing the translations produced by DeepL. But seriously, who wants to do this day in, day out?[/quote]
And then there's that. As I already use machine translation to help me generate a "fast and dirty" first draft, and I consider the editing stages that follow to be the truly creative part of the job, I don't see it as such a huge development.

Anybody who translates without the assistance of MT nowadays is working with one hand tied behind their back.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Cat food

Gjorgji Apostolovski — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 21:43:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gjorgji Apostolovski
Post title: Cat food

[quote]expressisverbis wrote:

[quote]Baran Keki wrote:

I received this PO today. It says it all, I think

[/quote]

Received this a few minutes ago:

"Hi Sandra Flor,

I hope you’re doing well. We’re reaching out to offer you an opportunity to express your interest in a new translation project. Please note that this email has been sent to all our linguists qualified for this language combination, and we will review all responses before making a final selection. Here are the project details:
Project Details:
Project No: LY/3885
Total Words: 349
Price Per Word: €0.02
Industry: Medical Areas
Delivery Dates: 28 Mar 2025 16:30
Language Combination: English to Portuguese
Total Fee: €6.98
At this stage, we are simply checking availability. If you're interested, please submit your response through the form linked below. In the form, you can either confirm your availability or propose a different rate. Please note that this opportunity has been shared with other linguists in the same language combination, and we will review all submissions.
All responses must be submitted via the form—please do not reply to this email directly.
Click below to view the full details and submit your response:
Open Opportunity & Respond

If you have any questions or require further information, don’t hesitate to reach out.
We look forward to hearing from you!
Best regards,
XXXX
Project Manager"

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll hand it over to my cat. He’s praying he gets the job! 😂

P.S.: I don't even know this agency... Never worked with them before.

[Edited at 2025-03-27 17:32 GMT] [/quote]

That's not enough for cat food. Poor guy.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | I seem to have had more luck...

expressisverbis — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 17:30:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: expressisverbis
Post title: I seem to have had more luck...

[quote]Baran Keki wrote:

I received this PO today. It says it all, I think

[/quote]

Received this a few minutes ago:

"Hi Sandra Flor,

I hope you’re doing well. We’re reaching out to offer you an opportunity to express your interest in a new translation project. Please note that this email has been sent to all our linguists qualified for this language combination, and we will review all responses before making a final selection. Here are the project details:
Project Details:
Project No: LY/3885
Total Words: 349
Price Per Word: €0.02
Industry: Medical Areas
Delivery Dates: 28 Mar 2025 16:30
Language Combination: English to Portuguese
Total Fee: €6.98
At this stage, we are simply checking availability. If you're interested, please submit your response through the form linked below. In the form, you can either confirm your availability or propose a different rate. Please note that this opportunity has been shared with other linguists in the same language combination, and we will review all submissions.
All responses must be submitted via the form—please do not reply to this email directly.
Click below to view the full details and submit your response:
Open Opportunity & Respond

If you have any questions or require further information, don’t hesitate to reach out.
We look forward to hearing from you!
Best regards,
XXXX
Project Manager"

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll hand it over to my cat. He’s praying he gets the job! 😂

P.S.: I don't even know this agency... Never worked with them before.

[Edited at 2025-03-27 17:32 GMT]

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Scammers

Maria Laura Curzi — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 16:36:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Maria Laura Curzi
Post title: Scammers

[quote]expressisverbis wrote:

While AI can be an excellent tool that assists in many fields, we are increasingly seeing instances where individuals, lacking the proper expertise, are using it to answer technical questions or provide advice on specialized subjects.
For example, in addition to the member answering Kudoz questions without the necessary skills or knowledge in multiple language pairs, I recently saw a fashion blogger answering a highly technical question about Trados here.
I reported this matter, but no action was taken (deletion of the post and profile of that fashion blogger).
Moreover, yesterday, my accountant informed me about an individual who is not a certified accountant but has been advertising accountancy services, specifically, filling out tax returns and offering other accountancy services by using AI, when their profession has nothing to do with accounting!
This is becoming a serious issue! This abuse must stop, and these people need to stop seeing AI as a quick fix or a substitute for real expertise.
Such misuse undermines the value of true professionals and damages the trust and credibility of the professional communities.
Therefore, it isn't just translation agencies that need to change their mindset, but also all the individuals who are abusing AI for tasks beyond their qualifications. [/quote]

Yes, scammers use AI to make “better” scams > [url removed]

[Edited at 2025-03-27 16:39 GMT]

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | kudoZ

Gjorgji Apostolovski — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 15:55:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gjorgji Apostolovski
Post title: kudoZ

And how about abusing kudoZ? Or better say the members, translators and every who is answering kudoZ?
I've seen members here asking questions on kudoZ more than 1000 times, and their reciprocity is 0 in anwering.
So if you are a translator or you are saying that you are, why are you asking so many questions in specific field, where expertise is needed?
How about limiting the questions in kudoZ, huh?
Also I've seen non natives asking questions for non native languages.
How about them?

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | The dark side of AI

expressisverbis — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 15:44:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: expressisverbis
Post title: The dark side of AI

While AI can be an excellent tool that assists in many fields, we are increasingly seeing instances where individuals, lacking the proper expertise, are using it to answer technical questions or provide advice on specialized subjects.
For example, in addition to the member answering Kudoz questions without the necessary skills or knowledge in multiple language pairs, I recently saw a fashion blogger answering a highly technical question about Trados here.
I reported this matter, but no action was taken (deletion of the post and profile of that fashion blogger).
Moreover, yesterday, my accountant informed me about an individual who is not a certified accountant but has been advertising accountancy services, specifically, filling out tax returns and offering other accountancy services by using AI, when their profession has nothing to do with accounting!
This is becoming a serious issue! This abuse must stop, and these people need to stop seeing AI as a quick fix or a substitute for real expertise.
Such misuse undermines the value of true professionals and damages the trust and credibility of the professional communities.
Therefore, it isn't just translation agencies that need to change their mindset, but also all the individuals who are abusing AI for tasks beyond their qualifications.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | AI era rates

Baran Keki — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:57:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Baran Keki
Post title: AI era rates

I received this PO today. It says it all, I think

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Is it really helpful?

Maria Laura Curzi — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 21:24:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Maria Laura Curzi
Post title: Is it really helpful?

AGI has been in development for some 20 years, yet experts say there's plenty of room for improvements.

My concerns are:
#1: How long will this “development stage” last? Nobody seems to know. Plenty of developments, like LLM, are still in testing and ongoing improvements. Then, I wonder: Having an allegedly groundbreaking technology under development for more than 2 decades —more than one generation— is **really** helpful?
I try to consider the advertising versus the potential applications. I think +20 years for any unfinished technology development is indeed a long time considering the speed at which gadgets become obsolete.

#2: How much more will it cost? Nobody seems to know, either. I've read numbers like $300-500 billions. All that money and yet isn't fully developed. Again, I wonder: Is spending tons of money on the +20-year ongoing development of an allegedly groundbreaking technology **really** helpful?
I try to consider this investment versus the investment in developing resources for people to access clean water, which is a major global crisis, just to name one (there are more, sadly).

#3: How should it be used? One more time, nobody knows. Perhaps the more important of the three concerns is the less mentioned by the companies/people involving in the development and investment, and that isn't by chance. We all know the issues about confidentiality, copyrights' infringement, and privacy violations; we know there are several lawsuits and many discussions about regulating AI, but there aren't any laws yet. So, I wonder: Is not having regulations after +20 years on this allegedly groundbreaking technology in ongoing development **really** making it helpful?
I try to consider the advertised improvements in medicine versus the less publicized scams, the accidents of autonomous cars, or the translators' hallucinations.

Overall, I think the AI (or AGI, or full AI) narrative is seriously biased.
It's aggressively sold by powerful multimillionaire tech giants as the manna from heaven, and this started a huge hype. The problem is, there's a backstage these giants aren't telling us about, so I deeply mistrust this worldwide narrative spread all over the Internet by the Internet owners.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | .

Gerard Barry — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 17:18:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gerard Barry
Post title: .

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:

Of course, for translators AI represents a threat, and that is unfortunate. But AI isn't going to put an end to the translation profession, any more than calculators and spreadsheets put an end to the accounting profession. [/quote]

I think you're wrong on this. Machine translation means that anyone wanting a text translated can enter this text into DeepL or whatever other programmes are out there and have the text translated instantaneously for much less than a human translator costs. My second-last employer dissolved their entire in-house translation department (consisting of around 10 employees) three years ago and started using DeepL instead. They haven't asked any of the translators back yet, which means they must be pretty happy with the results. The only job left for translators in the era of machine translation is post-editing the translations produced by DeepL. But seriously, who wants to do this day in, day out?

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | ~

Gjorgji Apostolovski — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 15:50:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gjorgji Apostolovski
Post title: ~

[quote]Liena Vijupe wrote:

[quote]Danylo Kravchuk wrote:
In what way does AI pose an existential risk to humanity? I think people have watched "The Terminator" too much. [/quote]

I have not seen the "Terminator", but you should watch "2001: A Space Odyssey", it might give you an idea and that's just to begin with. There seems to be a confusion between AI-based tools and applications which can be used or not for various purposes and the technology itself which is a Pandora's box as some others have already pointed out here. [/quote]

In the way you won't get pay for doing a job, instead AI will do it.
Ask how many people lost their jobs last and this year in automotive industry, cuz of robotics, AI, the new EV cars, and competition ofc.
Autonomous cars, well, goodbye taxi, Uber, etc...

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | BSG FTW

Johan Beyens (X) — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 15:40:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Johan Beyens (X)
Post title: BSG FTW

Battlestar Galactica summed it up nicely I think :)

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | the genie is out of the bottle

Liena V. — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 09:51:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Liena V.
Post title: the genie is out of the bottle

[quote]Danylo Kravchuk wrote:
In what way does AI pose an existential risk to humanity? I think people have watched "The Terminator" too much. [/quote]

I have not seen the "Terminator", but you should watch "2001: A Space Odyssey", it might give you an idea and that's just to begin with. There seems to be a confusion between AI-based tools and applications which can be used or not for various purposes and the technology itself which is a Pandora's box as some others have already pointed out here.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | no

Gjorgji Apostolovski — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:28:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gjorgji Apostolovski
Post title: no

If I have power, I'll make it AI to rule the entertainment, the internet, the all other language related industries.

Come on, if someone with power reading this, hurry up in making this real.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Not this time around

Daryo — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:19:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Daryo
Post title: Not this time around

[quote]Alan Corbo, CT wrote:

I don't think the companies promoting AI have our interests at heart (or anybody else's, for that matter), and that's the crux of the issue. They have openly admitted that the widespread adoption of AI and the ruthless race to see who pushes the boundaries the furthest will bring about profound changes in society and economy, and that they hope governments will be up to the challenge and introduce sweeping reforms to avert disaster. That's merely wishful thinking. If history is anything to go by, there's been winners and losers in each and every revolution. Yes, **things eventually get better**, but many are left behind in the process. Case in point: the Industrial Revolution. Factory workers didn't see their lives improving as a result of technological advances. Yes, it is true the world economy grew many times over, but we all know statistics don't reflect individual cases. Until the transition was complete, many people suffered. I see **no reason to believe things will be different this time**. A new technology is being deployed without giving much thought to what its long term consequences might be. The same happened some 25 years ago, when social media broke onto the scene, and we've all seen how that has panned out.

In any case, I don't think there's much we can do, but hope we can be on the winners side, something that doesn't depend entirely on us. It seldom does, actually.

[Edited at 2025-03-25 12:36 GMT] [/quote]

Things eventually get better?

No need to worry about the previous 14 points (mere appetizers), la pièce de résistance is enough:

15. Existential Risks

The development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) that surpasses human intelligence raises long-term concerns for humanity. The prospect of AGI could lead to unintended and potentially catastrophic consequences, as these advanced AI systems may not be aligned with human values or priorities.

To mitigate these risks, the AI research community needs to actively engage in safety research, collaborate on ethical guidelines, and promote transparency in AGI development. Ensuring that AGI serves the best interests of humanity and does not pose a threat to our existence is paramount.

[url removed]

To recap:

-- these advanced AI systems may not be aligned with human values or priorities = in plain-speak: once advanced enough, they (the AI systems, not those imagining they still control them) will have **their own** goals and priorities;

-- artificial general intelligence (AGI) that surpasses human intelligence = these hopeless dummies called humans (**as AI will see it**) won't be able to do anything about it;

at that stage, it's only a question of time before this part comes to fruition

-- lead to unintended and potentially catastrophic consequences (**for humans**, that is - not for the AI).

Can't be, no ways?

As long as you believe that cavemen could organise an expedition to another galaxy, then sure this could never happen.

Everyone is free to keep running towards the cliff edge. I'll take a slow walk. And not bother with unrealistic 'what if' scenarios.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Winners and losers

Alan Corbo, CT — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 12:35:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Alan Corbo, CT
Post title: Winners and losers

I don't think the companies promoting AI have our interests at heart (or anybody else's, for that matter), and that's the crux of the issue. They have openly admitted that the widespread adoption of AI and the ruthless race to see who pushes the boundaries the furthest will bring about profound changes in society and economy, and that they hope governments will be up to the challenge and introduce sweeping reforms to avert disaster. That's merely wishful thinking. If history is anything to go by, there's been winners and losers in each and every revolution. Yes, things [b]eventually[/b] get better, but many are left behind in the process. Case in point: the Industrial Revolution. Factory workers didn't see their lives improving as a result of technological advances. Yes, it is true the world economy grew many times over, but we all know statistics don't reflect individual cases. Until the transition was complete, many people suffered. I see no reason to believe things will be different this time. A new technology is being deployed without giving much thought to what its long term consequences might be. The same happened some 25 years ago, when social media broke onto the scene, and we've all seen how that has panned out.

In any case, I don't think there's much we can do, but hope we can be on the winners side, something that doesn't depend entirely on us. It seldom does, actually.

[Edited at 2025-03-25 12:36 GMT]

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | To be fair to those people ...

Rachel Waddington — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:19:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Rachel Waddington
Post title: To be fair to those people ...

[quote]Danylo Kravchuk wrote:

[quote]Rachel Waddington wrote:

If you really don't understand 'what's so horrible about AI' I suggest you do some research about the risks and downsides, which go far beyond the impact it is having on translators (which is significant in itself), and include existential risks to humanity.

[/quote]

There were times when people were afraid of things like TV, computers, Internet, and even printing press. People have always been afraid of new technologies.
In what way does AI pose an existential risk to humanity? I think people have watched "The Terminator" too much. [/quote]

Humanity is currently standing on the very brink of utter catastrophe in terms of climate change, deforestation, loss of biodiversity, etc. We may even go extinct within a few generations if we push our planet outside the range we can live within. It's inconceivable that our current direction of travel can be sustained in the long term (possibly not in the medium or short term either). Maybe they were right to be afraid?

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | But why would you want it dissapear, not improve?

Danylo Kravchuk — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:01:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Danylo Kravchuk
Post title: But why would you want it dissapear, not improve?

[quote]Rachel Waddington wrote:

If you really don't understand 'what's so horrible about AI' I suggest you do some research about the risks and downsides, which go far beyond the impact it is having on translators (which is significant in itself), and include existential risks to humanity.

[/quote]

There were times when people were afraid of things like TV, computers, Internet, and even printing press. People have always been afraid of new technologies.
In what way does AI pose an existential risk to humanity? I think people have watched "The Terminator" too much.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Sad

Lieven Malaise — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 09:12:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Lieven Malaise
Post title: Sad

[quote]Lingua 5B wrote:
The robots are there to help doctors churn as much as PPM (patient per minute), not to help the patient.[/quote]

That's a sad opinion to read. Take AI supported surgery robots, for example. They are more accurate thanks to AI, not less accurate.

I'm afraid your anecdote isn't proof whatsoever of the lack of usefulness of AI in medicine...

...or translation. I find it baffling how many translators keep on downplaying the significance of AI/MT, while they are at the exact same moment being overtaken from all sides by translators who succesfully implement AI/MT in their workflow.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Accuracy issues

Lingua 5B — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:16:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Lingua 5B
Post title: Accuracy issues

AI medical devices and machines unfortunately have accuracy issues and/or provide incomplete results. Some examples are AI blood pressure measurers, or eyesight machines for prescription glasses. Both tend to give much higher results than realistic ones. Then after the machine hits a very high number, the doctor goes along and calibrates the measuring manually.

Last year I had a cycling injury. I didn't break or sprain anything but had a persistent pain for months, so eventually visited my primary care doctor, and she sent me for X-ray imaging. I got there and a huge robot hand was above me, it took the job of taking the image, there was a radiologist who controlled everything. His opinion: no bone breakages. I went with these results to an orthopedic specialist, he says: as far as I am concerned, this image is healthy and fine. He gave me some lifestyle advice for pain, and some orthopedic gel to apply. None of this helped me, the pain persisted throughout. What did that image show? It showed bones? Where are the ligaments, blood vessels and and a ton of other things that could have been squashed in the incident? Eventually, I had to help myself with some targeted exercises and some orthopedic cream I found (the doc's gel didn't help much).

My point is: instead of flashing a huge robot hand above me, your job is to help me and resolve my pain and issues, which you did not do. So, why do I care about your robot? The robots are there to help doctors churn as much as PPM (patient per minute), not to help the patient.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | incomplete question

Gianluca Marras — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:17:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Gianluca Marras
Post title: incomplete question

If we think about our profession, well I would get rid of it.
On the other side, the benefits of AI in our life is undeniable.

So, as usual, what makes the difference is the way technology is used

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Yeah

Dan Lucas — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:14:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Dan Lucas
Post title: Yeah

[quote]Philip Lees wrote:
Like any new technology, AI brings potential risks, as well as benefits.[/quote]
Pretty much every risk on that list could have been applied to any other groundbreaking technology, such as the development of the automobile, or the internet, and to my mind the article is written from a rather naive (surprising from Forbes) or slightly disingenuous perspective. The real standout is the singularity (I guess that comes under risk 15), which is a genuine concern. But that aside...

Regards,
Dan

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Pros and cons

Philip Lees — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 06:10:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Philip Lees
Post title: Pros and cons

[quote]Rachel Waddington wrote:

If you really don't understand 'what's so horrible about AI' I suggest you do some research about the risks and downsides, which go far beyond the impact it is having on translators (which is significant in itself), and include existential risks to humanity.

Have a read here: [url removed]

I don't deny there are positives as well as negatives, but I think that anyone who can't see any serious problems with AI hasn't really done much serious reading/thinking about the subject. [/quote]
Like any new technology, AI brings potential risks, as well as benefits.

Of course, for translators AI represents a threat, and that is unfortunate. But AI isn't going to put an end to the translation profession, any more than calculators and spreadsheets put an end to the accounting profession.

In other areas, notably medicine, AI has a great deal to offer, and has already proved its worth in enhancing the abilities of doctors to glean information from medical images of various kinds. It can also help in the planning of customised treatment plans in complex cases.

Rachel mentioned the environmental impact, and it's true that AI has a large carbon footprint (though infinitesimal compared to the Internet, and I don't see people wanting to eliminate that). Furthermore, environmental and climate sciences are the kind of areas where AI is likely to be able to make a big contribution, as making sense out of chaotic systems is something it is good at.

As the author of the Forbes article referred to above points out, there are many features of AI that need to be addressed so that the dangers will not outweigh the benefits. The same is true of any new technology. But eliminating AI altogether - if we could do that, and we can't - would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The latest poll figures show that 43.9% of responders are willing to dump the baby. I find that very disheartening.

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | It depends

Charlotte Spinetta — Mon, 24 Mar 2025 12:30:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Charlotte Spinetta
Post title: It depends

[quote]Sandra Boca wrote:

"It depends!" would have been a perfect option! :)

[quote]IrinaN wrote:

Translators? Humans?

It's truly amazing what difference a properly asked question can do to responses and reactions.

This seems to be a skill Proz polls are missing persistently. [/quote] [/quote]

I totally agree. AI is not a recent technology, it has been in our lives since years (Siri, maping...). Deleting it is not a good choice, but some features could be deleted !
Or it should simply be restricted...

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | Speaking of revolutionary new technologies: Happy anniversary!

Liena V. — Mon, 24 Mar 2025 12:21:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Liena V.
Post title: Speaking of revolutionary new technologies: Happy anniversary!

A revolutionary new technology comes along and infatuates investors with its seemingly limitless possibilities. Euphoria sparks a stock market rally. Eventually things get overheated and share prices become ridiculous. Then it all collapses.
It happened exactly 25 years ago when the roughly five-year dot-com bubble popped, leaving trillions of dollars of investment losses in its wake.
[url removed]

Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you? | What's so horrible about AI?

Rachel Waddington — Mon, 24 Mar 2025 12:04:00 +0000

Forum: Poll Discussion
Topic: Poll: If you could make AI disappear for everyone, would you?
Poster: Rachel Waddington
Post title: What's so horrible about AI?

[quote]Danylo Kravchuk wrote:

I selected 'Never' without hesitation because I truly don’t understand what’s so horrible about it that it should disappear. It’s up to you whether you use it or not, but why would you want it to disappear for everyone? I mainly use it for research purposes, and it’s a great tool. There are certain issues with it, but it’s progressing rapidly. I don’t see any serious problems with AI. [/quote]

If you really don't understand 'what's so horrible about AI' I suggest you do some research about the risks and downsides, which go far beyond the impact it is having on translators (which is significant in itself), and include existential risks to humanity.

Have a read here: [url removed]

I don't deny there are positives as well as negatives, but I think that anyone who can't see any serious problems with AI hasn't really done much serious reading/thinking about the subject.