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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Another one who doesn&#039;t want to pay a minimum fee</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122920#3122920</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Another one who doesn&#039;t want to pay a minimum fee&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m in contact with a new client, and he doesn&#039;t want to pay a minimum fee.&lt;br /&gt;I told him that in that case, I wouldn&#039;t take on jobs of which the pay would be lower than my minimum fee. I accepted such things in the past for some clients, but they gave me big jobs too. I doubt whether this one is ever going to do that.&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m already rejecting small jobs for another new client. &lt;br /&gt;As an independent, we have to take a firm stand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After all: they don&#039;t want to pay minimum fees because they want to compete with each other. If we accept that, we pay their competition costs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-30 20:40 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Losing money</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122914#3122914</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Losing money&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are serious about freelancing, then you need an hourly rate that you have to earn on average to have a sustainable income. Those AI companies and other bottom-feeders offering ridiculous rates make it impossible to earn that amount of money. So how could they be an option?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only option is finding customers that pay you enough money to make it. And if those customers are impossible to find, the only viable option is to put all your energy into finding another job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Working oneself into poverty should never be an option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The times are challenging and I don&#039;t know how much longer I will be able to do this fulltime, but before the final whistle I will have worked exactly 0 minutes for bottom-feeders. Because it&#039;s pointless if you want to survive in this business. So why wasting any energy that you could use to steer your working life in a better direction? [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your thoughts. &lt;br /&gt;Of course I agree that we should work for fair rates and only for serious costumers, or to find another job if these don&#039;t work out. That&#039;s a classical approach. But what if there are no more costumers, fair rates and not even other jobs, because the economy hit rock bottom.[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But you can&#039;t accept jobs at such a low rate that it isn&#039;t even possible NOT to lose money on it.&lt;br /&gt;If there isn&#039;t anything good, than we have a serious problem. Working at low wages, won&#039;t solve that problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also think we shouldn&#039;t think they offered rates are accepted because there are quotes.&lt;br /&gt;Eg: there are two offers today on which I see 3 and 4 quotes for my combinations. Each time one of them is my quote. But I&#039;ve never accepted the price offered. I&#039;ve always send my price. And I even never mentioned a special offer to have more chances. &lt;br /&gt;If the offers are not accepted, maybe the jobs will never be done. I think a lot of those job offers are never done because they never find somebody who&#039;s willing to work at such prices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would like to mention that I accepted an offer some months ago for a series of reviews. The price looked good, but I&#039;ve been doing them now since a few weeks, and I notice it takes me much more time than I expected. If the rates are high, such things are not a problem. But if they low so that they look feasable, it can turn out they aren&#039;t feasable at all. I will ask that client a raise. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-30 14:50 GMT]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-30 14:54 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Customers and other jobs. Where.</title>
			<author>Sarolta Lőrincz</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122911#3122911</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Sarolta Lőrincz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Customers and other jobs. Where.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Lieven Malaise wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are serious about freelancing, then you need an hourly rate that you have to earn on average to have a sustainable income. Those AI companies and other bottom-feeders offering ridiculous rates make it impossible to earn that amount of money. So how could they be an option?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only option is finding customers that pay you enough money to make it. And if those customers are impossible to find, the only viable option is to put all your energy into finding another job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Working oneself into poverty should never be an option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The times are challenging and I don&#039;t know how much longer I will be able to do this fulltime, but before the final whistle I will have worked exactly 0 minutes for bottom-feeders. Because it&#039;s pointless if you want to survive in this business. So why wasting any energy that you could use to steer your working life in a better direction? [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your thoughts. &lt;br /&gt;Of course I agree that we should work for fair rates and only for serious costumers, or to find another job if these don&#039;t work out. That&#039;s a classical approach. But what if there are no more costumers, fair rates and not even other jobs, because the economy hit rock bottom.&lt;br /&gt;So yes, we are aware of how things should be ideally, but reality is other, that&#039;s why we are searching everywhere and sharing our experiences to help each other.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | dignity never once payed my bills. money did.</title>
			<author>Sarolta Lőrincz</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122908#3122908</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Sarolta Lőrincz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; dignity never once payed my bills. money did.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why on earth do professional translators even consider working for those peanut payers?&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s what AI says about such firms: Yes, legally and operationally, these platforms are classified as digital sweatshops, &quot;ghost work&quot; hubs, or algorithmic piecework platforms by labor economists, human rights organizations, and investigative researchers.&lt;br /&gt;While they lack physical brick-and-mortar factories, they rely on a global internet-based gig economy model that mirrors the core exploitative dynamics of historical sweatshops. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Maybe because we are running out of options?! :)  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is working for less than what a cashier earns really an option?&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;d earn way more and feel more dignified offering pet sitting, and that&#039;s no joke. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of us were not born in privileged places. Bold to assume that people everywhere in the world afford to pay for pet sitting.&lt;br /&gt;If you invested time and energy into a field, you don&#039;t settle for pet sitting anyway. It would be more humiliating than to work in my field for less money.&lt;br /&gt;Not to mention that everybody is struggling. We here in Europe are constantly funding others&#039; wars and immigrants, and now Ai took over of lot of people&#039;s job, not just of translators&#039;. So these people don&#039;t have money to buy products, to travel etc., consequently every sector is struggling.&lt;br /&gt;I am happy for lucky people, most of us ain&#039;t that lucky, so we are searching for options, not for being lectured by the privileged ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-30 14:04 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | .</title>
			<author>Lieven Malaise</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122905#3122905</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Lieven Malaise&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Peter Motte wrote:&lt;br /&gt;And again there was an awfully bad paid job offer here, and I applied but sent them my rates. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s not because they ask it, they get it. If they don&#039;t get it, the job might go to better paying agencies. &lt;br /&gt;Gas prices went up for everybody. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I just read it: 0.01 to 0.02 per word for MTPE, isn&#039;t it? Unbelievable that Belgian translators would be prepared to work for that pittance. I would need to edit either 1800 or 3600 words per hour on average to make an acceptable living. Ridiculous.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Bijgewerkt op 2026-10-30 14:07 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | My rates</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122902#3122902</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; My rates&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And again there was an awfully bad paid job offer here, and I applied but sent them my rates. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s not because they ask it, they get it. If they don&#039;t get it, the job might go to better paying agencies. &lt;br /&gt;Gas prices went up for everybody.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | An hour is an hour</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122893#3122893</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; An hour is an hour&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why on earth do professional translators even consider working for those peanut payers?&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s what AI says about such firms: Yes, legally and operationally, these platforms are classified as digital sweatshops, &quot;ghost work&quot; hubs, or algorithmic piecework platforms by labor economists, human rights organizations, and investigative researchers.&lt;br /&gt;While they lack physical brick-and-mortar factories, they rely on a global internet-based gig economy model that mirrors the core exploitative dynamics of historical sweatshops. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Maybe because we are running out of options?! :)  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is working for less than what a cashier earns really an option?&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;d earn way more and feel more dignified offering pet sitting, and that&#039;s no joke. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, it&#039;s not because it&#039;s a gig that an hour is suddenly shorter than an hour. &lt;br /&gt;An hour work should be an hour&#039;s pay, no matter what it is. I think they&#039;re just too many hobbyists in the field.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Options</title>
			<author>Lieven Malaise</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122890#3122890</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Lieven Malaise&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Options&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you are serious about freelancing, then you need an hourly rate that you have to earn on average to have a sustainable income. Those AI companies and other bottom-feeders offering ridiculous rates make it impossible to earn that amount of money. So how could they be an option?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only option is finding customers that pay you enough money to make it. And if those customers are impossible to find, the only viable option is to put all your energy into finding another job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Working oneself into poverty should never be an option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The times are challenging and I don&#039;t know how much longer I will be able to do this fulltime, but before the final whistle I will have worked exactly 0 minutes for bottom-feeders. Because it&#039;s pointless if you want to survive in this business. So why wasting any energy that you could use to steer your working life in a better direction?</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | no options? it&#039;s also a matter of dignity</title>
			<author>Zea_Mays</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122888#3122888</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Zea_Mays&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; no options? it&#039;s also a matter of dignity&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why on earth do professional translators even consider working for those peanut payers?&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s what AI says about such firms: Yes, legally and operationally, these platforms are classified as digital sweatshops, &quot;ghost work&quot; hubs, or algorithmic piecework platforms by labor economists, human rights organizations, and investigative researchers.&lt;br /&gt;While they lack physical brick-and-mortar factories, they rely on a global internet-based gig economy model that mirrors the core exploitative dynamics of historical sweatshops. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Maybe because we are running out of options?! :)  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is working for less than what a cashier earns really an option?&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;d earn way more and feel more dignified offering pet sitting, and that&#039;s no joke.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Maybe because we are running out of options?! :)</title>
			<author>Sarolta Lőrincz</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122887#3122887</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Sarolta Lőrincz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Maybe because we are running out of options?! :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Zea_Mays wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why on earth do professional translators even consider working for those peanut payers?&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s what AI says about such firms: Yes, legally and operationally, these platforms are classified as digital sweatshops, &quot;ghost work&quot; hubs, or algorithmic piecework platforms by labor economists, human rights organizations, and investigative researchers.&lt;br /&gt;While they lack physical brick-and-mortar factories, they rely on a global internet-based gig economy model that mirrors the core exploitative dynamics of historical sweatshops. [/quote]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | real job opportunities?</title>
			<author>Michael Newton</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122774#3122774</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Michael Newton&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of these platforms (linked-in, Mercor, Cactus) are notorious for giving out tiny jobs paid at a pittance and then stopping a project altogether. Some post jobs on proz.com.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | And what about this one?</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122768#3122768</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; And what about this one?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-28 19:50 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Names like Alignerr, Label, Outlier, have very strong AI connotation...</title>
			<author>lihsia</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122765#3122765</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; lihsia&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Names like Alignerr, Label, Outlier, have very strong AI connotation...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In AI industry, we talk a lot of data labeling and alignment, esp. through reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF). As for the term &quot;outlier,&quot; it is an essential statistical term that also serves as a fundamental concept in machine learning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mercor and micro1 seem to have very bad reputation. It seems that they either pay very low rates or use dishonest methods to collect your data under the guise of recruitment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Check out these companies on LinkedIn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Modifié le 2026-10-28 13:40 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | I think they are to be avoided</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122755#3122755</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I think they are to be avoided&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My question for you is: is there anyone who has managed to work on at least one project with companies such as: Alignerr, Label, Crossing Hurdles, SME Careers, Cactus, Mercor, micro1, Outlier and so on.&lt;br /&gt; [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As far as I know those &quot;companies&quot; are to be avoided. It&#039;s not necessarily because they are scammers, but the offers are worthless</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Another one of those stupid offers</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122752#3122752</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Another one of those stupid offers&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On LinkedIn somebody send me a job offer to check the results of one of their programs, and they would pay me by giving me credits to use that program.&lt;br /&gt;I refused, of course, mentioning my hourly rate.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | sweatshop companies</title>
			<author>Zea_Mays</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122749#3122749</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Zea_Mays&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; sweatshop companies&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why on earth do professional translators even consider working for those peanut payers?&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s what AI says about such firms: Yes, legally and operationally, these platforms are classified as digital sweatshops, &quot;ghost work&quot; hubs, or algorithmic piecework platforms by labor economists, human rights organizations, and investigative researchers.&lt;br /&gt;While they lack physical brick-and-mortar factories, they rely on a global internet-based gig economy model that mirrors the core exploitative dynamics of historical sweatshops.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Re: Real job opportunities?</title>
			<author>Stanislaw Czech, MCIL CL</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122744#3122744</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Stanislaw Czech, MCIL CL&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Re: Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi Sarolta, I can&#039;t speak for those specific platforms, but in my experience the large pools of on-demand linguists often onboard far more people than they ever assign work to, so being onboarded and never getting a project is quite common. I would not rely on them as a main source of income. What tends to work better over time is a few direct clients or smaller agencies in a niche you know well, reached through targeted outreach and a clear profile. It is slower, but the work is more stable and better paid.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | Setting sails &amp; Thank you for your trust in the community</title>
			<author>dkfmmuc</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122737#3122737</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; dkfmmuc&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Setting sails &amp; Thank you for your trust in the community&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Sarolta Lőrincz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi dear fellow freelance translators,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the past 1+ year I was constantly looking for work. Since Ai takeover you probably realized that there are far fewer opportunities for translators, there are no more long-term jobs and so on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please let me know your experiences, how you navigate in this new, mostly Ai generated job-chaos :) [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Sarolta, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at first I would like to thank you for your trust in the proz.com community and for your honest contribution and the assessment of the market. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I appreciate this type of open communication. What you describe seems to be fact in many language pairs. &lt;b&gt; It is definitely not your fault &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next steps should be taking a completely blank paper and write down the strengths you have learnt during starting the business. Language and attention to the detail are solid pillars for every employeer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example in contrast to many peers of your age group you have learnt to analyze, to concentrate on work for more than several minutes and don&#039;t have the short attention span of the tech add9cts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So write down your strengths, many more than language, analyzing abilities, passion for language and people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then identify all business sectors where you may use these strengths. Some hints to &quot;nudge&quot; you: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;+ Is there an airport nearby (1 h travel distance). Screen every type of company, public service etc. working there. From airlines through customs office, office staff of freight forwarders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;+ Any larger consulting company, law firm with international ties or doing business with clients abroad?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So you could begin looking for part-time job offers and then use your skills elsewhere. You can keep the translation as a side business, eg. don&#039;t cancel the tax number as freelancer etc..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example in Germany I have the tax declaration on several forms. One the revenue as a translator / freelancer and then the other income.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This reduces the pressure to accept offers ba clients not willing to pay for translations adequately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And again and the most important lesson repeated: It is definitely not you, it&#039;s the market and the decreasing language abilities of the population. Newspapers, news agencies, companies like Reuters, Bloomberg seem to face the same challenge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So partially setting sails would be my idea how to try to navigate the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best regards </description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities?</title>
			<author>Sarolta Lőrincz</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122734#3122734</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Sarolta Lőrincz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think nobody is interested in feeding AI :) I see these companies when I am looking for jobs on several platforms, like LinkedIn and so on. They are constantly advertising jobs and I was never able to land one.&lt;br /&gt;I am happy for you that you managed to create your client pool and continue with the human translation. I was also employed as a human translator for years, but as Ai gained ground the workload became smaller, so I had to look for other jobs...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-28 09:06 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | I understand your pain</title>
			<author>Victor Muruet Garcia</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122731#3122731</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Victor Muruet Garcia&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I understand your pain&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi Sarolta,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are in the same boat. I used to have a regular stream of projects and now it is more challenging to say the least.&lt;br /&gt;I am sure the good human clients are out there, I am not sure how to find them at the moment when the first wall we hit is a chat bot and not a human being.&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve heard and applied to some of the agencies you&#039;ve mentioned, but haven&#039;t engaged into any project as yet either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope things get better for all of us. We are in this together.</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities? | @Sarolta</title>
			<author>Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122729#3122729</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; @Sarolta&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I’ve never heard of those companies, perhaps because I’m not at all interested in feeding AI. Over the years I managed to build a small but faithful pool of clients who keep me working on human translation…</description>
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			<title>Real job opportunities?</title>
			<author>Sarolta Lőrincz</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122635#3122635</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 07:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Real job opportunities?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Sarolta Lőrincz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi dear fellow freelance translators,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the past 1+ year I was constantly looking for work. Since Ai takeover you probably realized that there are far fewer opportunities for translators, there are no more long-term jobs and so on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing I’ve noticed is that there are a few companies that are constantly advertising job openings, yet I never manage to land a position with them. Often, I get stuck right at the application stage due to some odd feature on their website—or, even if I do manage to get through and get onboarded, I never end up getting assigned any projects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My question for you is: is there anyone who has managed to work on at least one project with companies such as: Alignerr, Label, Crossing Hurdles, SME Careers, Cactus, Mercor, micro1, Outlier and so on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please let me know your experiences, how you navigate in this new, mostly Ai generated job-chaos :)</description>
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			<title>Invoice template | I confirm</title>
			<author>WolfgangS</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122083#3122083</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2026 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; WolfgangS&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I confirm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Gregor Trebec wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, I received an invoice template from an agency on how an invoice should look like. I compared it to my invoices I used till now and nothing is left out, all information is there! Does it mean the info inside should match the color, the place of their invoice?&lt;br /&gt;It looks like they are inventing warm water.&lt;br /&gt; [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a customer who wants me to use his invoice template.&lt;br /&gt;And I do as all the required information are there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-10-22 09:57 GMT]</description>
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			<title>Invoice template | Re: Invoice template</title>
			<author>Stanislaw Czech, MCIL CL</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122072#3122072</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2026 08:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Stanislaw Czech, MCIL CL&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Re: Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d go with Samuel&#039;s approach: if the agency asks for their template, use it for them and keep your own numbering and records consistent on your side. The one thing worth checking is that their version doesn&#039;t drop anything your own tax rules require, such as your tax ID, your invoice number sequence, or a reverse-charge note for cross-border EU B2B services. Some agencies&#039; accounting systems read fields from fixed positions, so a matching layout saves them manual work and can even speed up payment. If their template clashes with your numbering, it&#039;s worth asking whether you can attach your own invoice as the legal document and use theirs as a cover summary.</description>
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			<title>Invoice template | Invoice content is a closed list under the VAT Directive</title>
			<author>lingverra</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3122035#3122035</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; lingverra&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice content is a closed list under the VAT Directive&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Samuel&#039;s answer is the practical one. For what it&#039;s worth, the legal side backs you up, Gregor: for VAT purposes the content of an invoice is a closed list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Directive 2006/112/EC, Art. 226: &quot;only the following details are required for VAT purposes on invoices&quot; — date, sequential number, both parties&#039; names and addresses, your VAT ID, the nature and extent of the service, the taxable amount, rate and VAT amount, and so on. Art. 218 adds that Member States &quot;shall accept documents or messages on paper or in electronic form as invoices if they meet the conditions laid down in this Chapter&quot;. Colour and layout are not among them, so their template is a convenience request for their bookkeeping, not a legal requirement — fine to follow if you want the client, as Samuel says.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two details from that list worth double-checking when you invoice an agency in another EU country, because they are the ones most often missing:&lt;br /&gt;– the customer&#039;s VAT ID (Art. 226(4));&lt;br /&gt;– the mention &quot;Reverse charge&quot; where the customer is liable for the VAT (Art. 226(11a)).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in that cross-border reverse-charge case, invoicing follows the rules of the country where the supplier is established (Art. 219a(2)(a)(i)) — i.e. Slovenian rules for you, whatever template the agency sends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more practical point: more and more agencies&#039; accounting systems read structured e-invoices (EN 16931) rather than the PDF layout. A Factur-X invoice carries that data as XML inside the PDF, so the &quot;template&quot; question largely disappears. Disclosure: I work on Lingverra, a tool for translators that turns an accepted quote into exactly such an invoice — Art. 226 details, &quot;Reverse charge&quot; where it applies, Factur-X embedded — in one click.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>Invoice template | I think</title>
			<author>Rita Faleiro</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3121028#3121028</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Rita Faleiro&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I think&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It looks like for that agency in particular they want you to use their model, for whatever reason.&lt;br /&gt;I have agencies to whom I send my invoice model, others provide me with the required template. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t see anything strage here :)</description>
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			<title>Invoice template | Use theirs for them and yours for you</title>
			<author>Samuel Murray</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3121022#3121022</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Samuel Murray&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Use theirs for them and yours for you&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Gregor Trebec wrote:&lt;br /&gt;Today, I received an invoice template from an agency on how an invoice should look like. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;Ask them if they expect you to use their template.  If yes, use their template.  If you want to keep a copy for your own records using your own template, you can do that too.  The agency might want to streamline their own accounting by letting all their translators use the same template, so that their bookkeeper don&#039;t spend time looking for information.</description>
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			<title>Invoice template</title>
			<author>Gregor Trebec</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3121019#3121019</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Invoice template&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Gregor Trebec&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, I received an invoice template from an agency on how an invoice should look like. I compared it to my invoices I used till now and nothing is left out, all information is there! Does it mean the info inside should match the color, the place of their invoice?&lt;br /&gt;It looks like they are inventing warm water.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>New translator looking for career advice. | May or may not be of any use to you ...</title>
			<author>Daryo</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3117028#3117028</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; New translator looking for career advice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Daryo&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; May or may not be of any use to you ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Ingrid Diniz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hello, I am writing this because I would like to have a piece of advice and also to connect with all of you, if that is possible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;....&lt;br /&gt;When you were doing your first translation, how long did it take to get it done?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Feel free to share your experience with me or add any information that may be worth sharing to help me. &lt;br /&gt;I would love to see how it has started for each of you. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;:)  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first translations I made for direct clients (no computers, no internet then, a telex was &quot;high-tech&quot;) took me &lt;i&gt;whatever time was necessary&lt;/i&gt; to (1) understand the text and (2) find the best translation. Which resulted in later no one questioning my rates when they approached me by recommandation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [url removed] #3051601:~:text=a%20%22thorough%20approach%22.-,The%20first%20translations%20I%20made%20for%20direct%20clients%20(no%20computers%2C%20no%20internet%20then%2C%20a%20telex%20was%20%22high%2Dtech%22)%20took%20me%20whatever%20time%20was%20necessary%20to%20(1)%20understand%20the%20text%20and%20(2)%20find%20the%20best%20translation.%20Which%20resulted%20in%20later%20no%20one%20questioning%20my%20rates%20when%20they%20approached%20me%20by%20recommandation.,-Harishankar%20Shahi%20%C2%A0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BTW that whole thread might be worth reading.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fundamentals of that recipe are still as valid as ever - what has changed is that nowadays you have to be very lucky to find clients who appreciate that kind of approach. Not saying it&#039;s impossible only ways ways more difficult.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some more details: the job was translating from Serbian to French several papers to be submitted to an international conference. The &lt;i&gt;whatever time was necessary&lt;/i&gt; part included first reading cover to cover a faculty manual in French in the subject matter, to familiarise myself not only with the terminology but also with the ways how whole sentences are usually structured. And the reports from the previous two conferences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What also helped is that I had unlimited access to an expert in the subject matter. And that I just returned from France after primary school; lycée and university (in a completely different field).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe only an interesting story from some other era, or maybe you will find some useful elements in it …&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>New translator looking for career advice. | Your postgraduate course provider</title>
			<author>philgoddard</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://www.proz.com/post/3116213#3116213</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2026 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; New translator looking for career advice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; philgoddard&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Your postgraduate course provider&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;should have told you the translation profession is on its last legs.</description>
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