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May 20, 2005 06:31
19 yrs ago
German term

amerikanische Verhältnisse

German to English Social Sciences Government / Politics
as opposed to "amerikanischer Modell" which also crops up in this text.
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +4 American way (or American style)
4 +1 the reality of the US
3 +2 no one wants to go down the American road
4 American-type set-up
3 reminiscent of the US

Discussion

Francis Lee (X) May 25, 2005:
After all: "There's no way like the American way" ... http://www.zonezero.com/editorial/diciembre99/photo2.html
Francis Lee (X) May 22, 2005:
Come on, Brigitte - I sense you're simply dying to agree with me ...
Francis Lee (X) May 20, 2005:
Are we talking economics, healthcare, welfare or what here ...?
Non-ProZ.com May 20, 2005:
"American model" is definitely what I'm using for "amerikanisches Modell"
BrigitteHilgner May 20, 2005:
I think "scheme" might be suitable for "Modell", but I am still not sure about "Verh�ltnisse" - could it be "economic conditions" in the USA (i.e. Europeans don't want to run up a huge deficit)?
Non-ProZ.com May 20, 2005:
"Wir k�nnen auch nicht leben mit einem amerikanischen Modell, das auf die Verschuldung der ganzen Welt setzt und damit letztlich auf einen neuen Kolonialismus"
So he is clearly differentiating between a model and existing realities
Non-ProZ.com May 20, 2005:
One example: "Dass es n�mlich trotz aller Reformnotwendigkeit in der Bundesrepublik dabei bleibe, dass �amerikanische Verh�ltnisse� nicht erw�nscht seien" but it also comes up in all sorts of contexts as well.
BrigitteHilgner May 20, 2005:
I agree with Ian. Without background info, I am thinking of a situation/conditions/circumstances as in America. "Modell" might be the American way/American style.
IanW (X) May 20, 2005:
Any chance of the whole sentence, Jonathan (and perhaps the one with "amerikanisches Modell" too)?

Proposed translations

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21 mins
German term (edited): amerikanische Verh�ltnisse
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American way (or American style)

I've heard this term used by Germans in the same way we in the USA would say "the American way"

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für Amerikanische Verhältnisse = by American standards

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Normally for economic or social systems, writers in America use the term American-style political systems or economic models. I think this comes from a certain amount of belief in the idea of \'laissez-faire\' or non-controlled market economics. It seems to permeate every thing. They believe deep down inside that there are too many factors or conditions influencing economics in order for decisions handed from the top ever to be right or just. All these factors (Verhältnisse) come together to create a certain trend or wave or dynamic force as evidenced in what has come to be known as the \'melting pot\'
Peer comment(s):
agree lone (X) : the American way
2 hrs
agree silfilla : *the American way*
3 hrs
neutral Francis Lee (X) : but "laissez-faire" would normally be termed e.g. Anglo-Saxon and is not specific to the US
4 hrs
agree franglish
1 day 9 hrs
agree Ellen Zittinger
3 days 14 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "After much thought I'm going with the most obvious, many thanks to all contributors!"
+1
51 mins
German term (edited): amerikanische Verh�ltnisse

the reality of the US

Normally "Verhältnisse" is used in a negative sense.
Peer comment(s):
agree Sabine Griebler : "amerikanische Verhältnisse" is usually used in a negative sense
3 mins
Thank you!
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1 hr
German term (edited): amerikanische Verh�ltnisse

American-type set-up

How about "An American-type set-up"?
Peer comment(s):
neutral Francis Lee (X) : how about "US-style set-up" ?
23 mins
Yes, that's better
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+2
5 hrs
German term (edited): amerikanische Verh�ltnisse

no one wants to go down the American road

Maybe turn it into a verbal construction:

No one wants to follow the US lead
No one wants social conditions like those in the USA (oops)
There's no wish to adopt a US-style social policy

... and "model" for "Modell", as you say.
Peer comment(s):
agree Robert Kleemaier : perhaps if you worked something in like 'the chosen path', then you touch on the concept of 'manifest destiny' which drives US foreign policy... just a thought, Tony
1 hr
Might be a bit of a reach in this context. But like the man said - Too Many Right-Wing Christians, Not Enough Lions.
agree Kieran McCann : I think this simply means (neo-)liberal social and economic policies (Modell) and conditions (Verhältnisse). I recall the horror headline in an East German paper shortly after the wall came down: 'Furcht vor britischen Verhältnissen'...
2 hrs
Time may prove them right - if they adopt the English model of binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and yob rule. They already have the lying politicians.
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16 mins
German term (edited): amerikanische Verh�ltnisse

reminiscent of the US

i.e.:
reminiscent of conditions in the US
conditions approaching those in the US

depends on the context, tho' ...

akin/similar to conditions in the US ...
(sorry, removed my first answer 'cos of the doubled added note)

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or \"the situation in the US ...\"

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US-style conditions

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... there remains a desire to avoid a US-style scenario
... the policy is still one that is averse to US-style conditions

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All quiet on the promotional/marketing front?

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Note added at 12 hrs 57 mins (2005-05-20 19:29:27 GMT)
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(sorry - that comment was intended for another question ...)
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