Glossary entry

Czech term or phrase:

V srbském jazyku jest země, jiež Charvátci jest jmě.

English translation:

There is a country called Charvátci in Serbian language.

Added to glossary by Pavel Prudký
Nov 3, 2008 16:09
15 yrs ago
Czech term

V srbském jazyku jest země, jiež Charvátci jest jmě.

Non-PRO Czech to English Art/Literary History medieval
This is a sentence from Chronicle of Dalimil (14th century).

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Change log

Nov 8, 2008 12:17: Pavel Prudký Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (2): Igor Liba, Pavel Prudký

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Discussion

Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
Thank you very much! thanks!
Igor Liba Nov 3, 2008:
another word jmie jmie is Charvátci as well as Čech - Charvátci is the "jmie (name) of a land and the "jmie" (name) of the monarch is Čech
Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
:-) I don't know what "která" is.
Igor Liba Nov 3, 2008:
another sample http://tyfoza.no-ip.com/vestnik/html/knihy/vestnik10/texty/v...

...Národopisnou společnost českoslovanskou, jiež se ustavila až o sv. Václavu 1893 ... (...which was established...) jiež is která as well in this case
Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
genitive? is it genitive?
Igor Liba Nov 3, 2008:
It is old Czech "jiež" might be "které" = V srbském jazyku je zemně, jméno které je Charvátci.

V srbském jazyku jest země, JIEŽ Charvátci jest jmě.
V tej zemi bieše lech, JEMUŽ jmě bieše Čech

JIEŽ - feminine
JEMUŽ - masculine
Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
again May I pray you for the morphological explanation of the pronoun "jiež"? Is it necessarly feminine and related to "země" or could it be also neutral?
Thank you!!
Igor Liba Nov 3, 2008:
it is very difficult to answer it is very difficult to answer as I am not expert in history - anyway Charvatci, Charváty was the name of the land and the words "Charvátci jest jmě" means "Charvátci is the name"
Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
again yes, I know, but I'm asking could it be different maybe.
Something like: Charvatici is the name for "land" in Serbian language?
In Serbian language this word means "land, earth", but it is also the name for Croats i. e. Croats means "land".
Igor Liba Nov 3, 2008:
check serbian translation I am just thinking: "U srpskom jeziku postoji zemlja kojoj je ime Hrvatska" - so Croatia and Croatians got their name after Charvatci, Charváty...
Prevodi ORBIS (asker) Nov 3, 2008:
possible translation Is this translation possible: In the Serbian language (this word) means "land" and (this word "land") is the one after which the Croatians got their name?

Proposed translations

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There is a country called Charvátci in Serbian language.

First I agreed with Igor, who is 100% right, but Dalimil wanted so speak about the existence of a country, not explaining the term Charvátci. The context is a slight different.

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Charváty (dnes Bavorsko)

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Charvatci is the country name in Serbian language

tedxt from this link http://www.freewebs.com/magnaserbia/tekstovi.htm

"U srpskom jeziku postoji zemlja kojoj je ime Hrvatska"
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