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Italian term

volume tecnico

Italian to English Tech/Engineering Automotive / Cars & Trucks motorbike patent
Part of a patent for a motorbike engine:

"Un motore per motocicletta che è conformato in modo tale che il *volume tecnico* del basamento possa essere congiunto all'avantreno."

This is driving me crazy, maybe it's time for a break, but I can't make sense of this.
Can anyone help please?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 Don't translate
4 engine volume
4 functional space
3 cubic capacity
3 technical volume

Discussion

Anne Jackson (asker) Oct 7, 2010:
Having said all this I'm opting for Jim's suggestion - ie don't translate. It seems the best way to get a sentence that flows and makes sense.
Thanks again
Anne Jackson (asker) Oct 7, 2010:
Thanks Thanks everyone, it's always a relief when something I don't understand but feel I should causes debate like this! @Omero, you're right, it is an experimental bike, a 2/3 wheeler, very strange, but at least it makes a bit more sense.
Gian Oct 5, 2010:
volume tecnico Credo che il termine sia stato adottato, come generalmente nell'edilizia, per indicare quei vani, luoghi, dove sono alloggiate le attarecchiature tecniche. In questo caso mi sembra che l'elemento principale di una moto sia il motore ed i suoi accessori principali che servono ad accenderlo a cambiare di marcia, ecc.
Gian Oct 5, 2010:
Per Anne Questo riferimento è relativo al motore, al volume dei cilindri, ecc.
A mio parere non c'entra niente (ripeto a mio parere!)
omero Oct 4, 2010:
Anne: try this link, its a forum and gthey seem pretty clued up about engine technology.http://www.energeticambiente.it/motori-combustione-esterna/1...
Vincent Lemma Oct 3, 2010:
Taking a further look, I think that this is the overall size of the engine, and was caught off-guard by a reference.
Instead, I take as example my own bike and the "volume tecnico" of its engine. Indeed, my bike can fit certain engine sizes within its surrounding frame - therefore not related to the displacement itself, and is not compatible with larger sized engines, meaning that is just cannot be mounted.
omero Oct 3, 2010:
goodmorning - I think you all could be right but how do you connect a basement to the front end in a traditional bike - it has to be an experimental 3-wheeler or a bike engine being fitted to a car. Wild guesses, but since the only volume techncial I am ware of is in edilizia, guessing the logic of the whole thing would be my the only option . Another option is to ask the client - if the answer cannot be found here on Proz, I think the Italian text needs clarification.
Mr Murray (X) Oct 2, 2010:
I agree Answering with 'engine displacement' on my part was a bit of a mistake because it will be taken too literally. The way I would use 'volume tecnico' is something like 'nominal size' - but that's still not quite right. Something about the general relative size of the motor being appropriate based on the frame - not the volume specifically.
Michael Brennen Oct 2, 2010:
D'accordo con Gian È proprio ciò che m'aspettavo, che qui non si tratta della cilindrata, già un termine ben disponibile e conoscuito, bensì del volume totale occupato dal motore come unità nel telaio.
Gian Oct 2, 2010:
volume tecnico Il volume nel telaio che racchiude e sotiene il motore; tanto è vero che dice "volume tecnico del basamento" e può essere unito all'avantreno.
Quindi non si tratta di "displacement"= cilindrata nè di volume del motore, in quanto oltre al motore vi sono molti altri elementi
Mr Murray (X) Oct 2, 2010:
Technical volumes That's the only way I know 'technical volumes' - editions of a publication/encyclopedia in particular for structures:

technical volumes (build.), volumi tecnici
volumi tecnici (ed.), technical volumes.
[source Hoepli's The Complete Technical Dictionary ]
Michael Brennen Oct 2, 2010:
Confusing answers One private response to my query to Vincent did not show up on the web site:

"Oh no, this context clearly refers to physical space"

Then this comment was added:

"Pretty sure it is displacement in reference to piston return stroke."

Per the Law of Non-Contradiction it cannot be both. :)

Gian, la frase "technical volume" non indica nulla in particolare, se non un libro tecnico. Di quale volume si tratta, secondo te?

La frase si trova spesso nelle discussioni dell'edilizia:

Da http://www.padovanet.it/allegati/C_1_Allegati_4122_Allegato....
"I volumi tecnici si configurano come parti accessorie dell’edificio, atte a contenere gli impianti tecnologici, garantendone l'accesso."

http://www.edilbase.com/utility.php?selezione=1&termine=volu...

Proposed translations

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1 day 17 hrs
Selected

Don't translate

The (precise volume of actual space occupied by the) engine block can be joined to the front end. In the context of joining this to that, the phrase "volume tecnico" is redundant.
Peer comment(s):
agree mlreid : This makes sense!
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15 mins

engine volume

History of BMW motorcycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The motor itself is more powerful, and all of the motorcycles that use it are lighter. .... approximate engine volume, and styling information (e.g., sport, .... In 2004, BMW announced the K1200S, incorporating a new front suspension ...

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Note added at 18 mins (2010-10-02 14:59:30 GMT)
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Just saying that engine (block) volume is proportioned to linkage with the front suspension system.

basamento = engine block.


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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-10-02 16:47:34 GMT)
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Bikez.com - Motorcycle dictionary
The compression ratio of an engine is the ratio of the volume above the piston at the bottom ... The displacement is measured inn cubic centimeteres (ccm). .... Rebound, Rebound defines the return stroke of the suspension. ... shock absorbers, or similar devices connection the axels to the frame of a motor cycle. ..
Peer comment(s):
neutral Michael Brennen : Vincent, does 'volume tecnico' refer to piston displacement or total physical space of the block? The BMW reference is displacement. Thx.
1 hr
Pretty sure it is displacement in reference to piston return stroke. See my last added not Mike.
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functional space

In choosing this term I am trying to express the idea that the space under discussion is not merely the exact displacement volume were the entire engine immersed in a fluid, but rather the space occupied by the engine in the frame as a functional unit in its outer dimensions.

I half wondered if "total space" might work, but it seems less adapted here.

As I see it, the discussion has adequately clarified that piston displacement, or cilindrata, is not what is intended.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-10-02 19:12:08 GMT)
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Or perhaps "functional volume", though I tend toward "space" at the moment.

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Note added at 9 hrs (2010-10-03 00:30:36 GMT)
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Perhaps also "overall space/volume occupied by the engine".
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1 day 11 hrs

cubic capacity

My take
Peer comment(s):
neutral Michael Brennen : Peter, I understand this only in the sense of piston displacement/cilindrata, which is not the determined sense. Is that how you meant it? Thx.
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technical volume

cioè quello che contiene volume, impianto, ecc

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Note added at 2 giorni17 ore (2010-10-05 08:08:40 GMT)
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Qui ho trovato il termine riferito ad un air box da fare su una motocicletta

1. 2T Special.it • View topic - L'air box, questo sconosciuto
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per ora vorrei provare la moto cosi e poi andrò avanti in evoluzioni .... Con questo potreste creare la sagoma considerando un volume "tecnico" che per la ...

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Re: L'air box, questo sconosciuto
da inferno il 29 gen 2010, 14:12
Ciao a tutti,
secondo le mie conoscenze.......per quanto riguarda l'airbox tra averlo e non; sarebbe meglio averlo........Per tutta una serie di motivi che sono stati ampiamente discussi............Per quanto riguarda eventuali materiali da usare vi posso consigliare il poliuretano espanso in lastre (materiale da diporto). Con questo potreste creare la sagoma considerando un volume "tecnico" che per la 500 (rd) sarebbe da sfruttare nella parte laterale della carena. Intendo una scatola adeguatamente profilata a baciare o seguire appunto il profilo della carena sulla quale potremmo utilizzare a seconda prese frontemarcia o convogliatori a monte.

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