Mar 21, 2006 20:29
18 yrs ago
français term
"un grand seize pieds de construction classique"
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This phrase is used to describe a large 18th century organ (60 stops, 5 manuals, pedalboard) destroyed during the Revolution. Any thoughts?
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organ of Classical construction based on 16 foot pitch [or see other option]
The 16 foot part could be one of 2 things:
1) an organ with a longest pipe of 16 foot.
2) an organ based around a principal (diapason rather than flute or reed) pitch of 16'. This would not exclude having a 32' Bourdon, for example.
Re the "construction classique" part, there are also a couple of options:
1) "of Classical construction": built in the Classical era. This would seem to work because you mention the 18th century.
2) "classically-voiced", as opposed to Romantically voiced. This would tie in with the idea of work being done on the organ post-Revolution.
3) "mechanical action": a long shot, but just an idea.
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Note added at 22 mins (2006-03-21 20:52:08 GMT)
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And of course, "construction classique" could point to the organ's design, but I think that could be sneakily covered in "of Classical construction".
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Note added at 29 mins (2006-03-21 20:59:31 GMT)
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Do you have a list of stops? That might help.
"Classically-voiced" under 2) above should have a capital C; sorry.
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Note added at 40 mins (2006-03-21 21:10:16 GMT)
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PS this isn't referring to a single pipe, is it?
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Note added at 46 mins (2006-03-21 21:16:04 GMT)
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"16 foot organ" is not really used. I took a look on Google to see what other people think and the few refs there are are for "16 foot organ pipe" or "16 foot organ stop".
Tough one!
1) an organ with a longest pipe of 16 foot.
2) an organ based around a principal (diapason rather than flute or reed) pitch of 16'. This would not exclude having a 32' Bourdon, for example.
Re the "construction classique" part, there are also a couple of options:
1) "of Classical construction": built in the Classical era. This would seem to work because you mention the 18th century.
2) "classically-voiced", as opposed to Romantically voiced. This would tie in with the idea of work being done on the organ post-Revolution.
3) "mechanical action": a long shot, but just an idea.
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Note added at 22 mins (2006-03-21 20:52:08 GMT)
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And of course, "construction classique" could point to the organ's design, but I think that could be sneakily covered in "of Classical construction".
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Note added at 29 mins (2006-03-21 20:59:31 GMT)
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Do you have a list of stops? That might help.
"Classically-voiced" under 2) above should have a capital C; sorry.
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Note added at 40 mins (2006-03-21 21:10:16 GMT)
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PS this isn't referring to a single pipe, is it?
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Note added at 46 mins (2006-03-21 21:16:04 GMT)
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"16 foot organ" is not really used. I took a look on Google to see what other people think and the few refs there are are for "16 foot organ pipe" or "16 foot organ stop".
Tough one!
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Comment: "Hi Amy,
Thanks, that's brilliant.
Arbizonne"
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traditional (structure/construction) 16' organ
French and German pipe organ stops - [ Traduire cette page ]It is often located in the pedal of the organ. Having a manual (open) 16' diapason is characteristic of great organs, thus called "16 feet organ". ...
complexity - [ Traduire cette page ]... which are similar to the sound choices on a traditional organ. ... Still shot from the Color Organ showing musical structure generated by piano chords. ...
www.bway.net/~jackox/complexity.html - 26k
complexity - [ Traduire cette page ]... which are similar to the sound choices on a traditional organ. ... Still shot from the Color Organ showing musical structure generated by piano chords. ...
www.bway.net/~jackox/complexity.html - 26k
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awilliams
: a 16' organ to an organ builder would mean one with a principal pitch of 16' but possibly including a 32' bourdon, whereas to the man on the street it will mean an organ with a longest pipe of 16', so this could be misleading.
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sur Internet certains sites ne donne qu'une dimension, d'autres détaillent toutes les dimensions annexes. la source ici ne donne qu'une dimension globale. faut-il faire plus détaillé que le texte initial ?
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a large traditional (structure/construction) 16' organ
complexity - [ Traduire cette page ]... which are similar to the sound choices on a traditional organ. ... Still shot from the Color Organ showing musical structure generated by piano chords. ...
www.bway.net/~jackox/complexity.html - 26k
French and German pipe organ stops - [ Traduire cette page ]It is often located in the pedal of the organ. Having a manual (open) 16' diapason is characteristic of great organs, thus called "16 feet organ". ...
perso.wanadoo.fr/eisenberg/e_jeux.htm - 49k
www.bway.net/~jackox/complexity.html - 26k
French and German pipe organ stops - [ Traduire cette page ]It is often located in the pedal of the organ. Having a manual (open) 16' diapason is characteristic of great organs, thus called "16 feet organ". ...
perso.wanadoo.fr/eisenberg/e_jeux.htm - 49k
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