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se fazer e de fazer

English translation: make a name for himself/onelself

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Portuguese term or phrase:se fazer
English translation:make a name for himself/onelself
Entered by: Sormane Gomes

18:57 Jul 16, 2006
Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy
Portuguese term or phrase: se fazer e de fazer
The general context of the text is a discussion abou different theoretical approaches to education and evaluation of education. Here is the actual sentence:
"Para Demo (1998) a definição de qualidade na educação comporta duas dimensões, uma denominada qualidade formal, significando a habilidade de manejar meios, instrumentos, formas, técnicas e procedimentos; e outra chamada de qualidade política, ressaltando a competência do sujeito em termos de *se fazer e de fazer* história. Assim, para o referido autor, “qualidade formal trata da arte de descobrir, enquanto qualidade política trata da arte de fazer” (Demo, 1998:pp?)."

I'm stumped by the relexive "se fazer"...help!

Thanks ahead of time!
Karen Haggerty
Local time: 19:08
make a name for himself/onelself...//make history
Explanation:
At least that is how I understand it.

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Note added at 54 mins (2006-07-16 19:51:28 GMT)
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"se fazer" means to succeed/to become successful (in life, work, etc).

You could use that here, but I prefer the former.
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Sormane Gomes
United States
Local time: 22:08
Grading comment
Sormane. Thanks, you've saved the day. thanks for the Portuguese lesson. ;-) Felt like I shoulda known that one.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1make a name for himself/onelself...//make history
Sormane Gomes
3being (himself) and do (something)
mariajorge


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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
make a name for himself/onelself...//make history


Explanation:
At least that is how I understand it.

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Note added at 54 mins (2006-07-16 19:51:28 GMT)
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"se fazer" means to succeed/to become successful (in life, work, etc).

You could use that here, but I prefer the former.

Sormane Gomes
United States
Local time: 22:08
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 82
Grading comment
Sormane. Thanks, you've saved the day. thanks for the Portuguese lesson. ;-) Felt like I shoulda known that one.

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agree  Neil Stewart
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
being (himself) and do (something)


Explanation:
as a Portuguese I also read things in my own language I do not understand

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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-07-17 09:32:09 GMT) Post-grading
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do or make, depending on the context

mariajorge
Portugal
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Native speaker of: Portuguese
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