French term
Creuset (catalyseur d\'innovation)
The proposal is: "A crucible for global healthcare innovation"
In U.S. English, the term "crucible" can be used to indicate a "melting pot" of ideas, science, etc.. The question is whether or not "crucible" would make sense in the UK.
Thank you.
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katsy
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| 4 +1 | cradle |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 4 | crucible |
philgoddard
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| 3 | melting-pot |
Tony M
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Proposed translations
forging global etc.
"Forging global healthcare innovation" gives the idea of shaping (and combining) of d ideas
melting-pot
I think the informal and more readily fiigurative term 'melting-pot' works better in both variants of EN — though I still feel the whole phrase could be re-worked to be better still...
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philgoddard
: They've said they don't want to use this, and crucible isn't a technical term.
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Well, i'm sorry, but I think it is far more suitable, but would in any case favour re-writing the entire phrase, as I don't think the metaphor is really a good one here anyway. If you want to use the metaphor, I think "melting-pot" is the ONLY solution
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United States
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crucible
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A situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new.
‘Their relationship was forged in the crucible of war’
'The importance of family and peers, coupled with a supportive faculty and institutional climate, all combine in a higher education crucible to aid in the student's achievement.’
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/crucible
‘As she is at pains to point out, there was no unhappy childhood to avenge; no traumas to shove into the creative crucible.’
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Tony M
: I agree about the cliché! It works well in the specific examples you quote, but I don't think it works well here with 'innovation'; I'd rather see soemthing more along the lines of cradle / nursery (another cliché!) breeding / spawning ground, etc.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: "retreat ...to exchange knowledge and information" is hardly a "crucible" or "hotbed"
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See my comment to Nikki.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: I would see why the client wld not want melting pot, partic. if FR as its use in FR is generally used to describe populations only. Besides, I think "creuset" has been used for a reason.//Sorry, changed mind. Good for term alone, but pref Katsy's in cntxt
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Yes, I think we should respect their choice, not tell them what they should have said. A crucible is a place where people bounce ideas off one another, and new and exciting things emerge.
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Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
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cradle
though "crucible" is OK too
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OOPS ...started writing my answer and was then interrupted...in the meantime Tony has made this suggestion in a comment..
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Tony M
: Although it's another dreadul cliché, I still think this is preferable to the ponderous and to my mind pompous 'crucible'
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Thanks Tony, I think "crucible" works well in some contexts but not here
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philgoddard
: I think this is too gentle. It suggests sleeping babies rather than hotbeds of technology. (Actually hotbed might be another possibility.)
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not about "sleeping babies" but about nurturing innovation
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Reference comments
United Kingdom
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crucible - UK example of usage in similar context
The Golden Jubilee Conference Hotel is a key element of the Golden Jubilee Foundation.
Our integrated approach, with a focus on continuous learning and strong links to academia and industry, creates a crucible for innovation and a vibrant network for the spread of learning and best practice.
A centre of excellence for international healthcare and medical conferences
Specialising in conferences, meetings and courses for clinicians, medical equipment providers and pharmaceutical companies, the Golden Jubilee Conference Hotel has a range of unique facilities for the healthcare sector ...
http://www.goldenjubileehotel.com/files/8414/5207/8357/GOLDE...
[Moving away from the crucible/melting pot image, the related concept of hub or innovation hub is also common in this context.]
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crucible
(formal or literary) a place or situation in which people or ideas are tested severely, often creating something new or exciting in the process
an alliance forged in the crucible of war
The Lake District in 1800 was the crucible of the new Romantic movement in English poetry.
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