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retournement de la violence

English translation: redirecting violence

10:51 Jan 28, 2024
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
French term or phrase: retournement de la violence
C’est également le cas de l’article d’Annélie Delescluse qui étudie les processus de subjectivation de migrants subsahariens au Maroc victimes de négrophobie. Elle montre les rapports complexes entre résistance et retournement de la violence, parfois y compris contre soi-même ou des proches. L’autrice s’intéresse notamment aux multiples passages entre pratiques d’autodéfense spontanée et mobilisations plus collectives – un aspect souvent discuté dans la littérature sur le vigilantisme [24] .

What do people understand by retournement de la violence here? Violent response. The use of violence to resist?
Peter Collins
Spain
Local time: 12:32
English translation:redirecting violence
Explanation:
The way the term is used in the following examples -- redirecting the violence one is subject to against someone else (Black Americans when one is White Trash, or vice versa, against one's spouse after being ticked off by the boss, against a goat or a virgin when in fear of punishment by a god, against one's teddybear when one is sent to one's room by Mum awaiting Dad's return from work (I speak from personal experience), or oneself (cf. scarification, suicide), all out of inability to control frustration by any other means (which is often the cause of the violence one is subject to in the first place), not in the sense of stopping one's own violence against one group and redirecting it against another -- seems to correspond to your text.

'Turning violence inside-out' is obviously part of the process, I would say, but maybe more abstract than the actual redirection of violence.

"Subjects admitted that anger stemming from community violence was often redirected away from the original source (Jacobs et al). This redirection of anger contributes to the contagion of community violence [ … ] Violence, originating from institutional injustice or chronic community violence, serves to create a subculture of violence within the community. With an altered violence value set, individuals spread violence outward through the redirection of violence as a method of self-preservation"
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...

"Interpreting non-violence in terms of its potential for social change, Landauer finally proposed a redirection of violence towards the self in order to achieve genuine transformations."
https://hal.science/hal-02509397/document

"Women redirect violence from husband towards their children (given circumscribed agency); fathers or mothers use children to retaliate against one another"
https://www.svri.org/sites/default/files/attachments/2018-01...

"substitution is also considered a basic tenet of sacrifice, sacrifice designed to redirect violence"
https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...


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Bourth
France
Local time: 12:32
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4redirecting violence
Bourth
3 +1turning violence upside down
liz askew
4turnaround in violence
Francois Boye
3 +1backlash of violence
SafeTex
3Imaginaries of Self-Defence
SafeTex
Summary of reference entries provided
clue in text
liz askew

  

Answers


5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
turning violence upside down


Explanation:
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gfyAQQax-CIC&pg=PA478&lp...

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:32
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 34

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Emmanuella: C'est la violence qui se retourne
13 mins
agree  Bourth: I found 'inside-out' (and think it is better ;-) )
5 hrs
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
redirecting violence


Explanation:
The way the term is used in the following examples -- redirecting the violence one is subject to against someone else (Black Americans when one is White Trash, or vice versa, against one's spouse after being ticked off by the boss, against a goat or a virgin when in fear of punishment by a god, against one's teddybear when one is sent to one's room by Mum awaiting Dad's return from work (I speak from personal experience), or oneself (cf. scarification, suicide), all out of inability to control frustration by any other means (which is often the cause of the violence one is subject to in the first place), not in the sense of stopping one's own violence against one group and redirecting it against another -- seems to correspond to your text.

'Turning violence inside-out' is obviously part of the process, I would say, but maybe more abstract than the actual redirection of violence.

"Subjects admitted that anger stemming from community violence was often redirected away from the original source (Jacobs et al). This redirection of anger contributes to the contagion of community violence [ … ] Violence, originating from institutional injustice or chronic community violence, serves to create a subculture of violence within the community. With an altered violence value set, individuals spread violence outward through the redirection of violence as a method of self-preservation"
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...

"Interpreting non-violence in terms of its potential for social change, Landauer finally proposed a redirection of violence towards the self in order to achieve genuine transformations."
https://hal.science/hal-02509397/document

"Women redirect violence from husband towards their children (given circumscribed agency); fathers or mothers use children to retaliate against one another"
https://www.svri.org/sites/default/files/attachments/2018-01...

"substitution is also considered a basic tenet of sacrifice, sacrifice designed to redirect violence"
https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...




Bourth
France
Local time: 12:32
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7
Grading comment
Selected automatically based on peer agreement.
Notes to answerer
Asker: This was useful, thanks. I think the idea of retaliation is correct.

Asker:

Asker: Most helpful


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Annette Fehr: I was thinking of 'violent backlashes,' but I think your answer is more precise.
8 hrs
agree  Jo Durning
9 hrs
agree  philgoddard
1 day 16 hrs
agree  Tabitha Samje
8 days
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Imaginaries of Self-Defence


Explanation:
This may baffle you (it baffles me too) but it seems to be the official translation of the term

See my reference which is an abstract in French and English of one of the books by Annélie Delescluse on this subject


    https://www.cairn.info/revue-politique-africaine-2023-2-page-169.htm?contenu=resume
SafeTex
France
Local time: 12:32
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: The French in your reference is 'imaginaires d’autodéfense', not 'retournement de la violence'.
1 day 15 hrs
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1 day 5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
turnaround in violence


Explanation:
My take

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 06:32
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 19
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1 day 9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
backlash of violence


Explanation:
Possibly the closest we have in common everyday English

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I've just noticed that this phrase was mentioned in an agree before I published it. Oops, I hadn't seen that


    https://www.respectvictoria.vic.gov.au/understanding-backlash-and-resistance
SafeTex
France
Local time: 12:32
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Daryo
5 hrs
agree  ormiston: I have agreed with what I consider the best posted suggestion
15 hrs
disagree  Annette Fehr: taken from my comment to Bourth
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Reference comments


4 hrs
Reference: clue in text

Reference information:
.............retournement de la violence, parfois y compris contre soi-même ou des proches............

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self-directed violence?

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https://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn19/clinical/docs/RM_MIRECC_SDV...

Self-directed violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or
actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which
results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm,
maldevelopment, or deprivation.

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VIOLENCES CONJUGALES - Santé Mentale
santementale.fr
https://www.santementale.fr › ddl › pdf
PDF
8 Cf., par exemple, « La violence envers les femmes en France, une enquête nationale », La ... Le retournement de l'agressivité contre soi-même est un mécanisme ...

Violence et contextes sociaux. La prise en compte ... - HAL-SHS
hal.science
https://shs.hal.science › document
PDF
by M Calvez · 2000 · Cited by 1 — de soi. Poser la question de la violence et de l'ordre social doit alors ... l'individu peut retourner cette violence contre lui-même violence.

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also:


Religion and Violence - Project MUSE
jhu.edu
https://muse.jhu.edu › pub › oa_monograph › chapter
3 Feb 2020 — Finally, what new and unprecedented forms does its violence—albeit its “violent ... ****Levinas speaks of a “reverting” or retournement ****in Otherwise ...

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see here too:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_u5QfP-cehgC&pg=PA80&lpg...


upside down turn

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turning violence upside down?

1.Turning oppression upside down - Move Nonviolence
movenonviolence.net
https://movenonviolence.net › ...
Turning oppression upside down. How does violence function? Discover nonviolence as a strategy for deconstructing and transforming conflicts.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 34
Note to reference poster
Asker: I was initially confused by the order of the words and thought, like you, that the phrase implies self-directed violene. But this is not the case from the context, so the more obvious meaning of retaliation has to be correct.

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