contrat sécurité-formation

English translation: job training-job security contract

21:12 Aug 9, 2006

French to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics

French term or phrase: contrat sécurité-formation

(as proposed by the French Socialist Party).
I want to translate this as a 'secure training contract', rather than, say, a 'contract for training and job-security'.

Do you agree? Thanks very much.

JPiggot

English translation:job training-job security contract

Explanation:
http://www.firstinvest.com/Actualite/Default.asp?source=RE&n...

Le Web de l’Humanité: « Sécurisons l’emploi des jeunes » - Article ...
Du côté du Parti socialiste, alors qu’on trouve des critiques du CPE rejoignant les nôtres, François Hollande propose un « contrat sécurité formation ». ...
www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/2006-03-07/2006-03-07-825608

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Thanks. I agree with Tony-Dusty, that maybe it isn't necessary to specify 'job' training', but I like the balance of the two terms here, and it reflects the French term. I couldn't find a 'standard' translation for this either. Thanks again for all of your input.
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job training-job security contract

writeaway

3 +1

No, I don't agree!

Tony M

3 +1

NFG - in support of writeaway

Charlie Bavington

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peer agreement (net): +2

job training-job security contract

writeaway
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7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

No, I don't agree!

Explanation:
I don't see how it can be expressed that way; after all, as far as I understand it, it isn't the training itself that is secure (suggest you are going to lock the youngsters up!)

'training and security contract' just might work, but in a way, I think you really DO need to keep the idea of 'job-security' in there, to avoid misinterpetation in relation to 'security'

Taking an example from the UK govt., there seem to be plenty of exmples of "Contract for...", so I think you could do worse than reconsider that formulation

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From the language point of view alone, I wouldn't read it that way; and from what little I know of the political situation, I don't believe that's what it means either. I don't think there's anything specially 'secure' about the contract, it is only the job that needs to be secure, if the demise of the CDI is on the cards, spelling an end to the automatic job security that has so long been fought for.

Tony M
France
Local time: 09:57
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PRO pts in category: 56

Notes to answerer

Asker: Do you think though that the point could be that the contract itself is secure, and then that it offers training too? Thanks for your help with this.

Asker: I have tried to give Kudoz points for this answer too, but it doesn't seem to work. Thanks, this has been helpful.

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

NFG - in support of writeaway

Explanation:
As I was saying, all i could find in English related to this subject was here :
http://www.lefigaro.fr/english/20060228.WWW000000386_archais...

I do prefer w/a's addition of "job" as a qualifier, though, given that practically bloody anything these days seems to be branded "security" with the implication that we'd all better sign up if we don't want to suffer a messy end.

I'm surprised though that the English-language press (rather than the Eng version of Le Figaro) doesn't seem to have reported this at all. Do my search skills need honing? :-)

Charlie Bavington
Local time: 08:57
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English
PRO pts in category: 16

Notes to answerer

Asker:

Asker: Thanks, I hadn't found this Figaro article in my search. I can't find a 'standard' translation of this term either!

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