Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

2,000 Milliarden

English translation:

2 trillion (US specific)

Added to glossary by Rebecca Holmes
Nov 21, 2002 14:41
21 yrs ago
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German term

2,000 Milliarden

German to English Bus/Financial Bruttoinlandsprodukt
Is 2,000 Milliarden = 2 trillion?? What would be the best way to express this in English?

Help -- am language person, highly math-impaired.

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Nov 21, 2002:
Context of relevance? Just talked to my German hubby on the phone.He said it might be normal to express the Bruttoinlanddprodukt in thousand billions in English. Can anybody confirm this???
Ralf Lemster Nov 21, 2002:
Paul's question is spot on - this is treated differently in BE vs. AE
Non-ProZ.com Nov 21, 2002:
American American English
Paul Svensson Nov 21, 2002:
British or American English ?

Proposed translations

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2 trillion

2 trillion or 2000 billion. I'm pretty sure 2 trillion is the better way, but you may want to wait for confirmation on that.

As for the math dept.:
2 Milliarden - 2 billion
20 Milliarden - 20 billion
200 Milliarden - 200 billion or 0.2 trillion
2000 Milliarden - 2000 billion or 2 trillion

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Number Size -- How Big Is A Million, Billion, Trillion, ... ?
www.mathnstuff.com/math/spoken/here/2class/10/size.htm

2 trillion is 2,000,000,000,000
is 2 billion thousands
is 2 x 106 x 103
is 2 thousand thousand thousand thousand
is 2 million, millions
is 2 x 106 x 106 = 2 x 1012
Peer comment(s):

agree Kim Metzger : Yes, since it's in USD.
28 mins
agree jccantrell : 2 trillion is right on for the USA.
50 mins
agree Jennie Sherrick, MA : for US
2 hrs
agree Terry Gilman
2 hrs
agree Ron Stelter
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks everyone for the helpful math hints! I went ahead and used 2 trillion in the text. You and my husband may very well be right about GDP usually being expressed in thousand billions, Sandra. As this was a Werbetext aiming to attract potential advertisers to German print media I decided to go ahead and use simply "2 trillion", however. Thanks again to everyone. Have a nice weekend."
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It depends

Making a trillion is harder in the U.K.

Q: The revelation about the difference a few zeros makes depending on which shore you live on was quite interesting. (See link to "Wonderquest: billion" below, which noted that our trillion is equivalent to the U.K. billion.) A trillion in the U.S. is 1 followed by 12 zeros, or 1 x 10 to the 12th. Do our British cousins equate a trillion to 1 followed by 18 zeros, similar to their method of defining a billion? That is, a trillion = tri-million? Just curious, and always enjoying your column.

A: Yes. The British define a trillion as tri-million or three "million" written side by side and meaning a million million million or 1 x 10 to the 18th power. The British method continues:

billion = bi+(m)illon=million million = 1x10 to the 12th
trillion = tri+(m)illon=million million million = 1x10 to the 18th
quadrillion = quad+(m)illon=million million million million = 1x10 to the 24th
centillion = cent+(m)illon=million million . . . million = 1x10 to the 600th

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/wonderquest/2001-04-18-...
Peer comment(s):

agree Terry Gilman : Thanks for the additional information
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In UK (officially) 2 billion, in US 2 trillion

According to http://www.jimloy.com/math/billion.htm
in the UK it's not a trillion until it has 18 zeros but just to add spice to life: although an UK billion is supposed to have 12 zeros most British people would recognise a billion as having 9!


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The British National Office of Statistics avoids the issue and quote figures in £ million.

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And in USA http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/tables/ebr1.htm quotes figures in billions, e.g. $3,594.2 billion
Peer comment(s):

agree Terry Gilman : Thanks for explaining how BrE speakers avoid confusion.
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USD 2 trillion

definitely 2 trillion in the US
Peer comment(s):

neutral Kim Metzger : Yes, Klaus' answer given 20 minutes earlier applies.
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UK: 2 billions US: 2,000 billions

Ralf is right, GDP is usually expressed in billions
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : whatever the case, definitely not is plural when preceded by number
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