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The Assembly, which would meet initially in a ''shadow'' mode
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Hello,
I have to translate this sentence : The Assembly, which would meet initially in a ''shadow'' mode
and I don t really understand the meaning of shadow. Would it be like non official or more secret?
TIA!
Megh
I have to translate this sentence : The Assembly, which would meet initially in a ''shadow'' mode
and I don t really understand the meaning of shadow. Would it be like non official or more secret?
TIA!
Megh
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Francis Marche
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se réunira dans un permier temps sans prendre de décisions exécutoires
C'est mon interprétation de "shadow" : dépourvu de pouvoirs exécutoires. Il ne s'agit pas des modalités de sa réunion (cadre officiel ou informel) : "Shadow" n'est pas nécessaire pour cela, "informal" suffit largement.
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Tony M
: This is exactly how I initially read the source text (though wasn't able to formulate it correctly in FR!)
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Thanks Tony!
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l'assemblée qui se réunira d'abord officieusement
En l'absence d'autres précisions sur ce "shadow", ça devrait pouvoir faire l'affaire
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Tony M
: I don't think it's really quite that; it means 'doing the same job, but off-line', as it were; like 'shadow cabinet' (= 'cabinet fantôme') / I think the context with 'Assembly' is clear enough to justify this meaning of 'shadow'. 'dans un premier temps'?
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D'accord, alors peut-être "en parallèle" ? L'ennui c'est que le contexte donné ici ne dit rien sur l'existence d'une autre entité...
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mchd
: qui devait d'abord
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d'accord, merci !
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Francis Marche
: Il y a une différence de nature entre "informal" (officieusement) et "shadow".
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l'Assemblée, qui se réunirait tout d'abord sur un mode informel
Pour le moment les institutions découlant de l'entente restent à créer ou opèrent en mode informel (shadow), comme c'est le cas pour l'assemblée et l'exécutif d'Irlande du Nord et ce tant que le Northern Ireland Bill n'aura pas passé toutes les étapes législatives à Londres.
http://www.cms.fss.ulaval.ca/recherche/upload/hei/fichiers/b...
http://www.cms.fss.ulaval.ca/recherche/upload/hei/fichiers/b...
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l'assemblée, qui se réunira tout d'abord lors d'une réunion préparatoire
Selon le contexte, les autres terminologies pourraient être jugées péjoratives.
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Note added at 10 heures (2014-12-01 19:36:46 GMT)
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As regards constitutive sessions, please compare below :
http://www.uni-med.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie...
http://www.uni-med.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie...
The idea of a shadow session especially if done “prior” to the real thing implies the idea of training like a “mock session”. In french it can also be translated “séance simulée” ou “session simulée” but it is less used. If the context describes the idea of training or preparatory work, I’d definitely use “session préparatoire” being commonly used.
See refs below:
http://www.saintjoanofarc.org/sites/default/files/bulletins/...
Explore what gifts you may have to offer as a future… by shadowing
a current teacher/facilitator on March 3, 10 or 17. FFI or to
schedule a shadowing session,
http://www.randomfarms.com/index.php/programoverview/worksho...
A shadow is like a make-up. If your child misses a session, s/he can make-up the same session with another group. For example, if you are in group B and miss session 3, you can shadow session 3 with group C
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Note added at 10 heures (2014-12-01 19:36:46 GMT)
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As regards constitutive sessions, please compare below :
http://www.uni-med.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie...
http://www.uni-med.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie...
The idea of a shadow session especially if done “prior” to the real thing implies the idea of training like a “mock session”. In french it can also be translated “séance simulée” ou “session simulée” but it is less used. If the context describes the idea of training or preparatory work, I’d definitely use “session préparatoire” being commonly used.
See refs below:
http://www.saintjoanofarc.org/sites/default/files/bulletins/...
Explore what gifts you may have to offer as a future… by shadowing
a current teacher/facilitator on March 3, 10 or 17. FFI or to
schedule a shadowing session,
http://www.randomfarms.com/index.php/programoverview/worksho...
A shadow is like a make-up. If your child misses a session, s/he can make-up the same session with another group. For example, if you are in group B and miss session 3, you can shadow session 3 with group C
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Tony M
: Yes, but 'shadow mode' certainly doesn't imply a single 'réunion préparatoire'. / Maybe your are misinterpreting "would meet"? I read this as being "on several occasions", rather than just once...
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shadow mode is linked here to an initial meeting, thus it seems reasonable to me that this would be used as a preparatory meeting.../ Ok Tony now I get you, how would you put it if it was just a once off? ;)
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Daryo
: even with the limited context given, this surely isn't. There's nothing "shadow" in constitutive sessions
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Thanks Daryo, please see added refs
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Context
This would on the face of it appear to be the context:
Validation, implementation and review | British-Irish Council
http://www.britishirishcouncil.org/agreement-reached-multi-p...
... subject to parliamentary approval, to the Assembly, which would meet initially in a 'shadow' mode. The establishment of the North-South Ministerial Council, ...
Validation, implementation and review | British-Irish Council
http://www.britishirishcouncil.org/agreement-reached-multi-p...
... subject to parliamentary approval, to the Assembly, which would meet initially in a 'shadow' mode. The establishment of the North-South Ministerial Council, ...
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Daryo
: it does help a to tiny bit to know what the ST is about ... "shadow"+s.t. is already slippery enough - every combination is twisting the meaning of "shadow" in a different way - without clear context it turns into a useless and pointless guessing game
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Thanks, Daryo! Despite the fact that I don't follow politics or current events, I must admit this was the first thing that crossed my mind when I read the source text.
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Discussion
Here I am dealing with a text talking about the new British-Irish Agreement (I am following a course on translation) and they are explaning that the Assembly would meet initally in a ''shadow'' mode
I hope this will help defining the context.
Thanks again ;)
Context, please.
It definitely doesn't mean 'secret' — it is closer to your other suggestion.