Feb 7, 2018 20:14
6 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Argentina
Multilingual Experts
Native in: English (Variants: Canadian, UK, US)
Works in: English, Spanish to English, English to Spanish, and 12 more.
tutelaje
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
The use in this text about a contemporary Argentine artist by a feminist critic does not seem to be tutelage or mentoring, but something negative---over-protection?
Frente a la comprensible –y apremiante– necesidad de buscar amparo en un mundo hostil reaparecen las fantasías de seguridad. Todo proteccionismo corre el riesgo de derivar en censura y tutelaje: ¿Anhelamos un mundo más seguro? ¿Necesitamos vallas más altas? ¿Debemos proteger nuestros cuerpos?
Thanks!
Frente a la comprensible –y apremiante– necesidad de buscar amparo en un mundo hostil reaparecen las fantasías de seguridad. Todo proteccionismo corre el riesgo de derivar en censura y tutelaje: ¿Anhelamos un mundo más seguro? ¿Necesitamos vallas más altas? ¿Debemos proteger nuestros cuerpos?
Thanks!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | patronage |
Marie Wilson
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| 3 +3 | tutelage or hand-holding |
Ryan Kelly
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| 4 +2 | paternalism |
Robert Carter
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| 3 | domineering attitude/overcontrol |
Sofia Bengoa
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| 3 | guardianship |
JohnMcDove
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| 3 | constraint |
neilmac
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Proposed translations
48 mins
Selected
patronage
Another option.
Example sentence:
For nearly six decades, culture has been tightly controlled by the government, both through patronage and censorship
Suggestions like Tewari's can be seen as attempts to meddle, and hit the slippery slope to patronage and censorship
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!"
+3
6 mins
Ryan Kelly
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
United States
Business Legal, Oil and Gas, Finance/Tax
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
, Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
tutelage or hand-holding
It seems the context is talking about a "big brother" sort of situation where there is oversight.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
franglish
43 mins
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| agree |
JohnMcDove
: Yes, "tutelage" seems valid. Example googling "censorship and tutelage", (quote) That sounds intolerant, looks like censorship and tutelage, but what else can one do;
1 hr
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| agree |
Robert Carter
: See my comment in the discussion.
1 day 23 hrs
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31 mins
Sofia Bengoa
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Spain
In other words, the same meaning.
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
domineering attitude/overcontrol
May be these options may be suitable.
1 hr
JohnMcDove
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
United States
Related KudoZ points
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20
guardianship
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/guardianship
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-02-07 21:29:18 GMT)
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E.g.,
Feminists are acutely sensitive to the possibility of their reproducing male patterns of censorship and guardianship of women's desires;
https://books.google.com/books?id=NN48WUBx_54C&pg=PA251&lpg=...
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-02-07 21:29:18 GMT)
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E.g.,
Feminists are acutely sensitive to the possibility of their reproducing male patterns of censorship and guardianship of women's desires;
https://books.google.com/books?id=NN48WUBx_54C&pg=PA251&lpg=...
+2
3 hrs
Robert Carter
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
Mexico
Translating full-time since 1998
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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32
paternalism
This is how I read it. Censorship and paternalism go hand in hand, as states with paternalistic impulses tend to censor certain subjects they deem inappropriate for even competent adults, in the interest of so-called decency and morality. Anyone who grew up in the UK in the 70s and 80s will probably remember the name Mary Whitehouse, who was synonymous with TV censorship campaigns, as was her US counterpart Tipper Gore in the 80s in terms of video games and rap music.
According to conservatives, the state is justified in using its coercive power to uphold and enforce a community's moral convictions and to prevent citizens from engaging in activities that offend prevailing community standards of morality and decency. (See e.g., Devlin 1968, Sandel 1984.) This position is sometimes called ‘legal moralism’. Governments also have a responsibility to prevent citizens from harming themselves. This is true, even where the citizen is not a child (who may not yet be competent to make responsible judgements for themselves about what is in their own best interests), but a mature adult who is voluntary engaged in an activity which they judge to be desirable and which causes no harm to others. The view that the state is entitled to interfere with the freedom of mentally competent adults against their will for their own good is often called ‘legal paternalism’.
paternalism
The policy or practice on the part of people in authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to or otherwise dependent on them in their supposed interest.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/paternalism
tutelaje
1. m. Acción y efecto de tutelar1.
http://dle.rae.es/?id=azRtWKA
tutelar
2. adj. Der. Perteneciente o relativo a la tutela de los incapaces.
http://dle.rae.es/?id=azSdBZp|azXSNW1
According to conservatives, the state is justified in using its coercive power to uphold and enforce a community's moral convictions and to prevent citizens from engaging in activities that offend prevailing community standards of morality and decency. (See e.g., Devlin 1968, Sandel 1984.) This position is sometimes called ‘legal moralism’. Governments also have a responsibility to prevent citizens from harming themselves. This is true, even where the citizen is not a child (who may not yet be competent to make responsible judgements for themselves about what is in their own best interests), but a mature adult who is voluntary engaged in an activity which they judge to be desirable and which causes no harm to others. The view that the state is entitled to interfere with the freedom of mentally competent adults against their will for their own good is often called ‘legal paternalism’.
paternalism
The policy or practice on the part of people in authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to or otherwise dependent on them in their supposed interest.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/paternalism
tutelaje
1. m. Acción y efecto de tutelar1.
http://dle.rae.es/?id=azRtWKA
tutelar
2. adj. Der. Perteneciente o relativo a la tutela de los incapaces.
http://dle.rae.es/?id=azSdBZp|azXSNW1
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: Yes. And I would put 'patronage' first, building up to the more sinister 'censorship'. Well, I did agree with Marie before I saw your answer, which I think is closer to the real meaning, so I switched my Agree to you. Sorry, Marie!
2 mins
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Thanks, Muriel. Did you perhaps mean to agree with Marie's suggestion (patronage)?//Thanks again, Muriel.
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| agree |
lorenab23
: Excellent option!
56 mins
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Thanks, Lorena :-)
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7 mins
constraint
Constraint => something that controls what you do by keeping you within particular limits...
Admittedly not the usual translation one might expect for "tutelaje", but I think that's more or less the intended meaning in the context.
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Note added at 8 mins (2018-02-07 20:22:40 GMT)
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"All protectionism runs the risk of ending up in censorship and constraint."
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:01:26 GMT)
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NB: In hindsight, maybe "censure" is better than "censorship":
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censure
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:03:35 GMT)
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Yes, "censure" is better IMHO. And I still prefer my suggestion :)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:05:36 GMT)
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"... a much larger framework of authority, censure and constraint. "
"The Lord Chamberlain's licensing function took its place within a much larger public framework of censure and constraint";
"Intuition has been subject to various forms of censure and constraint,"
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:10:11 GMT)
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PS: I think if they'd meant just "paternalismo" they'd have used that:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalismo
And I think the notion expressed is stronger and also more negative than things like "guardianship" or "patronage", which are usually positive things.
Admittedly not the usual translation one might expect for "tutelaje", but I think that's more or less the intended meaning in the context.
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Note added at 8 mins (2018-02-07 20:22:40 GMT)
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"All protectionism runs the risk of ending up in censorship and constraint."
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:01:26 GMT)
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NB: In hindsight, maybe "censure" is better than "censorship":
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censure
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:03:35 GMT)
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Yes, "censure" is better IMHO. And I still prefer my suggestion :)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:05:36 GMT)
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"... a much larger framework of authority, censure and constraint. "
"The Lord Chamberlain's licensing function took its place within a much larger public framework of censure and constraint";
"Intuition has been subject to various forms of censure and constraint,"
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-02-08 08:10:11 GMT)
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PS: I think if they'd meant just "paternalismo" they'd have used that:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalismo
And I think the notion expressed is stronger and also more negative than things like "guardianship" or "patronage", which are usually positive things.
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