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Jul 18, 2018 11:49
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French term

caisse de la société

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general)
Ordinary articles & memorandum.

"ARTICLE 19 - Comptes courants
Avec le consentement de la Gérance, chaque Associé peut verser ou laisser en compte courant dans la caisse de la Société, des sommes nécessaires à celle-ci."

There is no mention before or after of the word "caisse", nor any suggestion that the company has a "fund" for this purpose. "Caisse" in my experience either means "fund" or it means something like "cash box" / "cash till". Perhaps this word is used to underline (repeat) the fact that this is a *current* account?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 (in the) company's books
4 company's ledger
4 company's treasury (/ coffers)
4 -4 Company's cash register

Discussion

AllegroTrans Jul 22, 2018:
"accounts in the company's books" gets 23,900 ghits
Daryo Jul 21, 2018:
the whole clause is about "comptes courants d'associés"

BUT

the term to translate is "la caisse" as used in accounting.

And that kind of "caisse" (la caisse dans les comptes d'une entreperise) is always the same, the fact that the whole clause us about "comptes courants d'associés" won't change its meaning in the slightest - no point getting sidetracked by irrelevant elements.
Germaine Jul 20, 2018:
Considérant le segment "des sommes nécessaires à celle-ci", je dirais que ce dont on parle ici, c'est d'apports en capital au fonds de roulement:
...may contribute (verser) or lend (laisser en compte courant) working capital...
Daryo Jul 18, 2018:
these "comptes courants" more accurately "comptes courants d'associés" are effectively NOT "bank accounts" but personal money that shareholders / partners have "deposited" with the business, same as they would deposit their money in a bank. Nota bene: it's their personal money, in effect their personal loan to the business, completely different and a separate category from their invested share of the capital.
Tony M Jul 18, 2018:
@ Asker The 'compte courant' being mentioned here is, I think, not the Company's current account, but rather, the individual shareholder's / partner's accounts. Note the use of 'en', with I believe the sense here 'as', cf. 'déguise en femme'.

Hence the 'caisse' would then be 'in the Company's accounts' etc.

Proposed translations

+2
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(in the) company's books

I think repeating "account" here is actually confusing
The "current account" of the partner/shareholder is clearly held "in the company's books".

Bank Reconciliation - CliffsNotes
https://www.cliffsnotes.com/study-guides/accounting/...i/cas...

Since deposits in transit have already been recorded in the company's books as cash receipts, they must be added to the bank statement balance. The Vector


Reports of Cases Decided in the Supreme Courts of Scotland and in ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=l_lCAQAAMAAJ
1842 - ‎Law reports, digests, etc
The account in the company's books is continued in the name of “David Betson, and Anderson and Wilkins,” to 11th November 1823, when there remains a ...

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What Is an Owner's Drawing in Accounting? | Chron.com
smallbusiness.chron.com › Accounting & Bookkeeping › Accounting

Each owner of the business typically has an equity account, or capital account, in the company's books that keeps track of his stake in the company. It's made up .

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Tax implications of an overdrawn director's account | Quarterly News ...
https://brooksgreen.com/quarterly.../tax-implications-of-an-...’s-accoun...
... tax and national insurance charges for both you and the company, the company may charge the value through your director's account in the company's books.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-07-18 14:24:41 GMT)
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Note that this isn't an account in the banking sense or in the sense that it holds money. It's simply a properly kept record of each member's stake in the company, together with a record of any drawing or borrowing by him/her.
Peer comment(s):
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne
2 hrs
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agree Tony M : Precisely!
2 hrs
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disagree Daryo : not entirely wrong, not entirely right - that money is certainly recorded in the company's accounts, but "books" does not equate to "la caisse"//Anything relevant should be "recorded in the books" but it has FIRST to be or to happen.
8 hrs
'books' is an overarching term that includes accounts in this context
agree GILLES MEUNIER
18 hrs
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Company's cash register

Peer comment(s):
disagree AllegroTrans : No!!! see https://www.google.com/search?q=cash register&client=firefox...
48 mins
disagree Tony M : That would make no sense at all in the context as given.
3 hrs
disagree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Sorry, but in an accounting sense, in this context, it does not mean cash register.
3 hrs
disagree Daryo : IF (and it's a big if!) they are at all literally holding any cash on premises, it would be in a safe - cash registers are used for sales to retail clients, not for holding cash reserves [of whatever business, retail or not).
8 hrs
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company's ledger

Financial records: business activities, receipts, money paid

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/ledge...

Aussi appelé "Cash ledger" (grand livre de caisse)
Peer comment(s):
disagree Daryo : receipts, money paid = what's going in /out vs. caisse = what there at a given point in time // same difference as "transactions" vs "balance" of a bank account
27 mins
agree AllegroTrans : An agree to cancel out the absurd disagree
1 day 2 hrs
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company's treasury (/ coffers)


Caisse (comptabilité)

La caisse représente les espèces que l'entreprise possède. (= the state at a given point in time NOT variations)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caisse_(comptabilité)


The treasury department occupies a central role in the finances of the modern corporation. It takes responsible for the company’s liquidity—ensures that a company has enough cash available at all times to meet the needs of its primary business operations.

http://accounting-financial-tax.com/2011/06/8-roles-of-a-tre...

Or, taking "la caisse d'une société" in its most literal sense:

coffer ˈkɒfə/ noun

1. a strongbox or small chest for holding valuables.

"a battered leather coffer sealed with a waxen crest"

synonyms:
strongbox, money box, cash box, money chest, treasure chest, casket, trunk, box, safe, safety-deposit box, safe-deposit box, repository
"the small coffer which had held Herluin's treasury"

You hear sometimes of companies with "plenty/ a mountain of cash in their coffers - same as "la caisse" it's not to be taken literally - you most likely won't find any physical "caisse=chest" /" strongbox" containing all the business's cash on the company's premises (few centuries ago, yes - but not today) it would be almost all in the company's bank account.
Peer comment(s):
agree Tony M
4 hrs
Thanks!
disagree GILLES MEUNIER : ça traduit trésorerie, je ne suis pas convaincu....
9 hrs
since you suddenly become expert in Serbian and Croatian: Караван иде даље ...
neutral AllegroTrans : Whilst a company MAY hold physical money in a treasury (or even a battered leather coffer) I think you will find that a member's "account" is simply a record in the company's books and ledgers and all of the company's liquid money (if any) is at a bank.
1 day 50 mins
If you reread what I said you'll find that I never said that the original meaning still applies today; you keep confusing the title for the whole clause and a completely different term used in the main text of that clause.
neutral Germaine : Il me semble qu'on dirait plutôt to the partnership's "working capital" ou, à la rigueur "capital account"
1 day 20 hrs
Simply following the definitions won't lead to that.
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