| Pages in topic: < [1 2] | Paying members not allowed to post to the BlueBoard anymore - because they opted out of WWA! Thread poster: Viktoria Gimbe
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| Please hold off on this topic... | Jul 9, 2006 |
Viktoria, Lesley, Dyran, HarryHedgehog, Philippe,
When I locked the last thread -- after 50 or so pages of discussion -- I asked you all to give us a few days to do some implementation based on the feedback. I believe all of you participated in that thread, so I would have expected you to have read that message.
There will be plenty of time to discuss WWA, as it is in a trial period, and as I wrote, there will be further forum threads. For now, please be respectful of f... See more Viktoria, Lesley, Dyran, HarryHedgehog, Philippe,
When I locked the last thread -- after 50 or so pages of discussion -- I asked you all to give us a few days to do some implementation based on the feedback. I believe all of you participated in that thread, so I would have expected you to have read that message.
There will be plenty of time to discuss WWA, as it is in a trial period, and as I wrote, there will be further forum threads. For now, please be respectful of forum rule 6 -- http://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/6#6 -- which says: "When a topic has been locked, discussion may not be resumed." ▲ Collapse
| | | | | | heikeb 
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| "Please hold off on this topic..." | Jul 10, 2006 |
In the thread provided by Henry in the previous post:
Henry said:
Note that there is not yet a way for anyone to make unsolicited entries, so there is not yet a need to withdraw from the WWA networks (unless, like Dyran, you prefer to be out and done with it--and that is why we will provide that alternative soon.)
If there is going to be discussion on this point, I'd prefer to open a separate thread for it. The purpose of this one is to focus on features and implementation.
How can you send posters/readers to the thread you mention in your previous post when in that very same thread you ask everyone from refraining to comment on the "out/out" (or "withdrawing") option and do so instead in a separate thread?
Isn't this a "separate" thread? Where are we supposed to discuss this important aspect of the WWA system?
If you're unhappy with the introduction of this thread, could you please open another "official" thread on that toppic? You could clearly state your position at the beginning and give everyone a chance to comment on this issue without having the feeling that there is some kind of censorship in effect.
I'm sure we'd all appreciate that!
Thanks!
| | | | Uldis Liepkalns
Latvia
Local time: 16:19
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| I'd expect it to be dealt the same way as in the BB | Jul 10, 2006 |
which in essence means that in case of a reasonable doubt it is interpreted in favour of an entity receiving evaluation mark.
About "Ever"... these are strong words. Can you name a single system in the whole World that is NEVER abused in any way?
Uldis
Dyran Altenburg wrote:
And how exactly is the vetting going to be done?
In other words, how are participants (those opting for in/in) going to be assured that the system will not be abused in any way, ever?
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Dyran Altenburg (X)
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| When in doubt, abstain | Jul 10, 2006 |
Uldis Liepkalns wrote:
"... these are strong words. Can you name a single system in the whole World that is NEVER abused in any way?
Exactly my point.
That's why I opted for out/out.
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Dyran
| | | | juvera
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| Uldis, here is the answer to your dilema: | Jul 11, 2006 |
and that's why you don't need the extra input on translators:
Uldis Liepkalns wrote:
And what happens, when a translator who has opted out/out fails to deliver the job on time and in necessary quality to me?
Uldis
You simply don't even call them any more to ask if they are free to do another job for you.
And there is another reason, why you don't need certain ways for information to be available to you about translators:
Uldis Liepkalns wrote:
And during all my experience at ProZ, there have been only 2 translators I'd like to input negative feedback too (as opposed to hundreds, to whom I can give only mark 5).
...because you are perfectly capable to judge from people's performance on this site, who you would like to give work to, and you have a large number of people to choose from.
Tha'ts what this site provides for you, and to redress the balance, the Blue Board gives to the individual translator on outsourcers, agencies.
Best,
Judith
| | | | heikeb
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| outsourcers have a definite advantage... | Jul 11, 2006 |
They can always test the quality of a translator beforehand with a short test translation. They can draw conclusions based on the translator's writing and presentation in their profiles and e-mails. In some cases, translators even offer translation samples. This is, of course, no ultimate guarantee whether the translation will in the end be delivered on time, but in general you can get a very good impression regarding a person's professionalism during these initial e-mails and how seriously the... See more They can always test the quality of a translator beforehand with a short test translation. They can draw conclusions based on the translator's writing and presentation in their profiles and e-mails. In some cases, translators even offer translation samples. This is, of course, no ultimate guarantee whether the translation will in the end be delivered on time, but in general you can get a very good impression regarding a person's professionalism during these initial e-mails and how seriously they take the test translation.
As translator, you have no opportunity to "test" the payment policies or the actual PM skills etc. in advance. That's where the Blue Board can provide some helpful information. That's pretty much the only way a translator can get an idea whether an outsourcer is reliable or not.
The outsourcers have many more means at their disposal. They don't need the WWA in the same way translators rely on the BB.
Therefore, I don't understand the idea that we need to create "equality" for the outsourcers when IMO the BB is an attempt at evening out the huge advantage outsourcers have over translators. ▲ Collapse
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