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battle order
Is the following a literal meaning of the word?
British term for reduced infantry equipment. The pack was removed and the haversack put in its place, to reduce weight and facilitate movement in action.
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Jun 1, 2005 18:16: Robert Donahue (X) changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
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battle equipment
http://www.replicaters.com/BATTLE ORDER ARTICLES.html
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http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/equipment/1982.htm
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The 1982 Pattern Webbing, according to the issued manual, incorporated the design principles of NATO STANAG 2311, and meant to be used in full or partial sets as Fighting Order, Battle Order, or Marching Order. The gear was a modular system, with Fighting Order used as a basic building block (not unlike earlier sets of web equipment) to which the system could be tailored to meet specific mission requirements. To meet this end, the manual also indicates that a \"mission analysis of all known users of personal webbing\" was conducted, to determine which components would be essential for these missions, and determined the initial issue of these components.
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The Danish Infantry Uniforms and Equipment through-out The Past ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
... items (eg pack, greatcoat, and blanket) sometimes were or are actually carried with
the equipment, the pictures show the rifleman in ordinary battle order. ...
www.chakoten.dk/daninfuni200aar_e.html
http://www.psz.vir.pl/equipment.htm
The 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade was established according to standards of British Airborne units and was uniformed and equipped identically as the model (the below description concerns the battle order).
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The basic uniform, so called battledress consisted of woolen khaki blouse with insignia and the same kind of trousers worn along with black leather boots with gaiters. The underwear was made of cotton and wool and it was used with string vest made of coton string which could be untwinned and used as a regular string. The battledress was covered with camouflaged coton drill Denison Smock; jump helmet was covered with a net or a grey beret was used. A camouflage face veil was tied around the neck....
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Yes, battle order \"literally\" means the order to fight... but it also refers to the uniform and equipment.
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Peter Linton (X)
: Your ref looks persuasive, but is, I'm afraid, misleading. Muris Makarevic has the right definition - generals plan the order of battle, in other words the disposition of troops (which includes selecting the right equipment),
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I don't think it's misleading at all, given the context
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juvera
: It is absolutely correct in relation to the question, the gear classified as Fighting, Battle or Marching. They are told the degree of preparation, with the words say: Battle Order, and equip accordingly. The can be in B.O. without a battle, for training
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thanks indeed :-)
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Sue is correct Peter. This is British English in use here. Here is battle-order. http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/digger-current... This one is "patrol-order". http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms2/patrol-order....
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Equipped to fight for approximately 24 hours without resupply.
A current Digger in Patrol Order, showing the Disruptive Pattern Camouflage Uniform (DPCU) and the gear a Digger carries as a minimum.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms2/patrol-order....
A current Digger in Battle Order showing all the gear an infantry soldier carries on him >>
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/digger-current...
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/equipment/1982.htm
The 1982 Pattern Webbing, according to the issued manual, incorporated the design principles of NATO STANAG 2311, and meant to be used in full or partial sets as Fighting Order, Battle Order, or Marching Order. The gear was a modular system, with Fighting Order used as a basic building block (not unlike earlier sets of web equipment) to which the system could be tailored to meet specific mission requirements. To meet this end, the manual also indicates that a "mission analysis of all known users of personal webbing" was conducted, to determine which components would be essential for these missions, and determined the initial issue of these components.
Battle Order
Battle Order was similar to Fighting Order, but allowed for the carriage of extra ammunition, equipment, and rations, and conceivably allowed a soldier to carry enough necessities to sustain him in battle for periods of approximately 24 hours. The gear was changed by the addition of a "small field pack" which could be attached to the webbing, or alternately slung over the shoulder. The small field pack was widely referred to as a "butt pack" due to its preferred location directly on the back of the gear, over the buttocks. The melmac plate and cup could be carried in this pouch, along with rations and additional ammunition, though access to this pouch required removal of the web gear. The utility pouch could be utilized for such things as grease pencils, a field message pad in a zippered cloth cover, sticks of face camouflage, earplugs, magazine chargers (though these were often seen tucking into the e-tool attachment points on the yoke), etc.
At least one unit issued out a second small field pack for the carriage of NBC suits.
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http://www.replicaters.com/BATTLE ORDER ARTICLES.html
Here\'s another link. In a nutshell, \"Battle Order\" means that a soldier has on his (or her) person enough ammunition, food and water to fight for 24 hours without resupply.
Patrol-order is your lightest load an is typically carried when contact with the enemy is either unexpected or to be avoided. It allows for the greatest freedom of movement.
Marching-order means that you are moving from point A to point B. contact is not considered likely and you are carry your whole world on your back. Not a lot of fun.
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gtreyger (X)
: Having served in the US Air Force much longer than I wanted to, I can tell you that this is a correct response.
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Thank you Gennadiy. I was an infantryman for seven years so this is a subject that I remember quite well (if not fondly)! : )
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