Aug 16, 2010 12:34
14 yrs ago
Hungarian term
Native in: Bulgarian 
Works in: English to Bulgarian, Bulgarian to English, Hungarian to Bulgarian, and 1 more.
örökös szemrehányás
Non-PRO
Hungarian to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Context:
(...) A mi fiunk, Dezső is eltűnik nappal, mint a többiek, és ez nem is baj, mert ha itt van, az olyan, mint valami örökös szemrehányás, azért is a mi fiunk, mert senki sem tudja, ki az apja. (...)
I am now taking my first steps in Hungarian>Bulgarian translation, and I had this short story by a Hungarian author to try with. The problem is that the person who had to review my draft, translated this sentence in a very different way from what I struggled to find, and I'm not sure if it's right.
The way I see it, it means that when the boy is there, it's like some inherited shame, and that is why they call him "our boy", because he is like some kind of an inheritance, not having a father etc.
Please if you are a native speaker, give me a detailed explanation of what this means, it doesn't matter if it's with the right words, I just need to know if it's different from how I understand it.
Thank you, I'd be very grateful if you could give me the whole sentence too, it doesn't have to be perfect or to sound nice, just right :)
Thanks again :)
(...) A mi fiunk, Dezső is eltűnik nappal, mint a többiek, és ez nem is baj, mert ha itt van, az olyan, mint valami örökös szemrehányás, azért is a mi fiunk, mert senki sem tudja, ki az apja. (...)
I am now taking my first steps in Hungarian>Bulgarian translation, and I had this short story by a Hungarian author to try with. The problem is that the person who had to review my draft, translated this sentence in a very different way from what I struggled to find, and I'm not sure if it's right.
The way I see it, it means that when the boy is there, it's like some inherited shame, and that is why they call him "our boy", because he is like some kind of an inheritance, not having a father etc.
Please if you are a native speaker, give me a detailed explanation of what this means, it doesn't matter if it's with the right words, I just need to know if it's different from how I understand it.
Thank you, I'd be very grateful if you could give me the whole sentence too, it doesn't have to be perfect or to sound nice, just right :)
Thanks again :)
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | constant reproach |
Ilona Roberts
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| 4 | constant rebuke |
Annamaria Amik
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Proposed translations
+3
7 mins
Ilona Roberts
Norway
Norway
Native in Hungarian
Specializes in field
Norway
Academic Translator
Native in: Romanian , Hungarian
Works in: Romanian to English, Hungarian to English, Swedish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
constant reproach
simply translated:
Our son Dezső disappears in the night too, just like the others, which is actually not a bad thing, because his being around is like a constant reproach -- after all, he is our boy because no one knows who his father is.
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Note added at 9 mins (2010-08-16 12:44:13 GMT)
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PS: I think you were slightly mislead in the original translation by thinking of "örökös" as a noun (that is, "heir", "successor" -- hence, I suspect, the idea of a heritage...); however, here the word functions as an adverb and means "constant", "continuous"...
hope this helps!
Our son Dezső disappears in the night too, just like the others, which is actually not a bad thing, because his being around is like a constant reproach -- after all, he is our boy because no one knows who his father is.
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Note added at 9 mins (2010-08-16 12:44:13 GMT)
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PS: I think you were slightly mislead in the original translation by thinking of "örökös" as a noun (that is, "heir", "successor" -- hence, I suspect, the idea of a heritage...); however, here the word functions as an adverb and means "constant", "continuous"...
hope this helps!
Note from asker:
| I really was mislead, what you wrote here was my first guess, it sounded more obvious even to me ;) But after repeatedly reading it and checking every meaning of every word just to make sure, it came to this. And it made more sense in the end, because of the father thing... But thank you, it really was the first thing I wrote, I shouldn't have changed my mind :) |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
11 mins
Annamaria Amik
Native in Hungarian
Works in field
Magistra artis reddendi
Native in: Hungarian , Romanian
Works in: Romanian to English, Hungarian to English, English to Romanian, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
4
constant rebuke
Inherited shame is an interesting solution, but the words actually mean: constant rebuke (örökös does not mean inherited, but constant, permanent, incessant).
Of course, rebuke does (should) create shame.
Here's an example, somewhat contrasting the premises of your sentence, but generating the same effect:
It was probably in these years that Elizabeth had to suffer the hostility of the more frivolous members of the Thuringian court, to whom the contemplative and pious child was a constant rebuke.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05389a.htm
They don't mind when the boy is missing during the day, because his presence acts like a constant reproach/blame/opprobrium.
Of course, rebuke does (should) create shame.
Here's an example, somewhat contrasting the premises of your sentence, but generating the same effect:
It was probably in these years that Elizabeth had to suffer the hostility of the more frivolous members of the Thuringian court, to whom the contemplative and pious child was a constant rebuke.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05389a.htm
They don't mind when the boy is missing during the day, because his presence acts like a constant reproach/blame/opprobrium.
Note from asker:
| Thank you, this example made it more clear :) See my comment on the above answer, too - I knew the meaning of the word, but found out it had another one and got totally confused in the end :) Thanks :) |
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