Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
tirage [near synonym: soutirage] (wine-making, brewing)
English translation:
racking OR drawing-off [of clear part of wine from sediment; term sometimes used at different stages of process]
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Tony M
Sep 24, 2004 14:37
19 yrs ago
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French term
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"filtrés avant tirage sur cartouche"
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"Afin d'obtenir une parfaite limpidité, les vins sont filtrés avant tirage sur cartouche.
Its from a text describing the wine-making process. This step takes place just before bottling.
Its from a text describing the wine-making process. This step takes place just before bottling.
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French term (edited):
filtrés avant tirage sur cartouche
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filtered via a cartridge (filter) before racking
There are others out there who know a lot more about wine than I do, but I have a dim memory that 'tirage' means 'racking', and I think it's likely that the filter is what is the cartridge, NOT the 'tirage'.
But I do urge you to seek more confident confirmation!
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Note added at 4 hrs 36 mins (2004-09-24 19:14:02 GMT)
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Collins-Robert gives decanting for soutirage, as that is one of the possible translations.
\'racking\' is the process of drawing off (already farily clear) wine from the lees --- it may be done by siphoning, or other, more modern methods. It amounts to the same thing as \'decanting\', albeit on a wine-making scale, and I believe the two French terms are often used with a degree of interhcnageability, though no doubt some experts out there can tell us if there is a nicety of distinction between them.
The only odd thing is that I would have thought you filtered AFTER racking; but then, I don\'t know much about wine-making!
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Note added at 4 hrs 38 mins (2004-09-24 19:16:15 GMT)
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GDT gives tirage as being a brewing term, meaning racking or drawing off, and synonymous with soutirage. So there :-P !!!
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Note added at 4 hrs 41 mins (2004-09-24 19:19:03 GMT)
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Oh yes, and racking is sometimes used to mean bottling, in the sense of the wine (etc.) being drawn off the lees and piped straight into bottles; I guess this method is not much used industrially, but it\'s what we do with our farm cider. Hic !
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Note added at 4 hrs 47 mins (2004-09-24 19:24:55 GMT)
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I of all people don\'t need any reminding to \"drink up\", Richard!!!
But I think in that saying it is more the old-fashioned use of \'to draw\', as in \'a draught of beer\', maybe the idea is the wine being drawn out of a cask; remember, bottles are a rather modern and bourgeois invention!
The only thing I can think is that they filter it first, then let it re-settle in a new vat before final racking; I know it\'s a multi-stage process, more complicated than one might at first think.
But I agree with you, inasmuch as tirage > bottling would certainly make the sequence more logical...
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Note added at 4 hrs 49 mins (2004-09-24 19:27:27 GMT)
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Petit Larousse in their diagram show soutirage as being an early part of the process, basically lifting the wine off what is left of the grapes/juice, and before fermentation.
Filtering first makes NO sense at all, I\'m more and more inclined towards your \'bottling off\' theory
But I do urge you to seek more confident confirmation!
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Note added at 4 hrs 36 mins (2004-09-24 19:14:02 GMT)
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Collins-Robert gives decanting for soutirage, as that is one of the possible translations.
\'racking\' is the process of drawing off (already farily clear) wine from the lees --- it may be done by siphoning, or other, more modern methods. It amounts to the same thing as \'decanting\', albeit on a wine-making scale, and I believe the two French terms are often used with a degree of interhcnageability, though no doubt some experts out there can tell us if there is a nicety of distinction between them.
The only odd thing is that I would have thought you filtered AFTER racking; but then, I don\'t know much about wine-making!
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Note added at 4 hrs 38 mins (2004-09-24 19:16:15 GMT)
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GDT gives tirage as being a brewing term, meaning racking or drawing off, and synonymous with soutirage. So there :-P !!!
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Note added at 4 hrs 41 mins (2004-09-24 19:19:03 GMT)
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Oh yes, and racking is sometimes used to mean bottling, in the sense of the wine (etc.) being drawn off the lees and piped straight into bottles; I guess this method is not much used industrially, but it\'s what we do with our farm cider. Hic !
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Note added at 4 hrs 47 mins (2004-09-24 19:24:55 GMT)
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I of all people don\'t need any reminding to \"drink up\", Richard!!!
But I think in that saying it is more the old-fashioned use of \'to draw\', as in \'a draught of beer\', maybe the idea is the wine being drawn out of a cask; remember, bottles are a rather modern and bourgeois invention!
The only thing I can think is that they filter it first, then let it re-settle in a new vat before final racking; I know it\'s a multi-stage process, more complicated than one might at first think.
But I agree with you, inasmuch as tirage > bottling would certainly make the sequence more logical...
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Note added at 4 hrs 49 mins (2004-09-24 19:27:27 GMT)
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Petit Larousse in their diagram show soutirage as being an early part of the process, basically lifting the wine off what is left of the grapes/juice, and before fermentation.
Filtering first makes NO sense at all, I\'m more and more inclined towards your \'bottling off\' theory
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Comment: "Thank you very much for all your help. I contacted the client to check and yes... they do filter before racking."
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wines are filtered before being drawn on cartridge
or "through"
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Tony M
: Sorry, Francis, but that really doesn't sound right to me...
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Demosthene
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drawn on cartridge
The process consisting of passing through cartridges is another final filtration process just befor the filling point(the filler); the two different techniques in use are either "polishing" or "strelization". May be you can use one of these terms after drawn on cartridge or even qualify the purpose of the cartridge which will be more precise: polishing cartridge or sterilizing cartridge.
It's just a suggestion.
It's just a suggestion.
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Michele Fauble
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filtered before cartridge filtration
To obtain perfect clarity multiple filtration may be necessary. They may mean that the wine is filtered by some other method and then undergoes final cartridge filtration.
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Note added at 5 hrs 7 mins (2004-09-24 19:45:44 GMT)
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\"... Chapter IV - Out lay of deep wine filtration using sheets or cartridges. Composition. • Filter plates • Lenticullar refills. Manufacturing. ...\"
www.oeno.tm.fr/Librairie/Collection/Collection_Ag/ Pratiques/Filtration/FiltrationSommaire_Ag.html
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Note added at 5 hrs 7 mins (2004-09-24 19:45:44 GMT)
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\"... Chapter IV - Out lay of deep wine filtration using sheets or cartridges. Composition. • Filter plates • Lenticullar refills. Manufacturing. ...\"
www.oeno.tm.fr/Librairie/Collection/Collection_Ag/ Pratiques/Filtration/FiltrationSommaire_Ag.html
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Richard Benham
: Sounds pretty weird to me. Even if it's right (which it may be), it needs to be reworded.
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Thanks. I agree it needs to be reworded.
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Tony M
: I agree with RB; tirage is usually more than SIMPLE filtration (even though that may be involved during the process)
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Thanks. There is a process called "deep filtration". Maybe that is what is meant here - a first filtration followed by a "deep filtration" through a cartridge.
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