Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
menskunde
English translation:
study of man
Added to glossary by
Michael Beijer
Nov 9, 2010 21:29
13 yrs ago
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Dutch term
menskunde
Dutch to English
Social Sciences
Education / Pedagogy
Rudolf Steiner, phenomenology
"Steiner geeft aan waarom het voor padagogen belangrijk is om menskunde te studeren, menskunde te mediteren en menskunde te herinneren (...)"
"Daarna heb ik afgesloten met een reflectie op mijn geesteswetenschappelijke onderzoekspraktijk (menskunde studie)."
"Daarna heb ik afgesloten met een reflectie op mijn geesteswetenschappelijke onderzoekspraktijk (menskunde studie)."
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | study of man | Lianne van de Ven |
5 | anthropology | Annabel Rautenbach |
4 | human biology | Textpertise |
3 | study of humanity | Josephine Isaacs (X) |
3 | social sciences | Verginia Ophof |
Proposed translations
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study of man
Steiner's "Allgemeine Menschenkunde als Grundlage der Pädagogik" is vertaald als "The Study of Man".
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/StuMan_index.html
De algemene vertaling is 'human biology' en dat komt wel ongeveer neer op wat hij bedoelt, maar dan wel vanuit antroposofisch perspectief. Dus je moet het (weer) in de context op een passende manier verwerken.
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Note added at 16 mins (2010-11-09 21:45:44 GMT)
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Steiner's visie op antropologie vs zijn antroposofie (study of/meditation on man):
There was already a science of the study of "material man" called "anthrop-ology" when Steiner came to name his study of the multi-faceted spiritual and material human being, so he was forced to choose a different name and he chose "anthropo-sophy." Rightly understood anthropology is the study of man from a single perspective, the evidence of our senses only. Like a single photograph of a tree, a study of man from one perspective leaves out more than it tells. Here's what he calls anthropology:
[page 77] In this context, we are applying the name "anthropology" to the totality of our physical studies of the human being, including not only what is often attributed to it in the narrower sense of the word, but also human morphology, biology, and so on.
As for what he calls anthroposophy:
[page 81] Anthroposophy will study human beings as they present themselves to physical observation, but in the practice of this observation it will try to derive indications of a spiritual foundation from the physical phenomena. In this way, anthroposophy can make the transition from anthropology to theosophy.
http://www.doyletics.com/arj/aafrvw.htm
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/StuMan_index.html
De algemene vertaling is 'human biology' en dat komt wel ongeveer neer op wat hij bedoelt, maar dan wel vanuit antroposofisch perspectief. Dus je moet het (weer) in de context op een passende manier verwerken.
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Note added at 16 mins (2010-11-09 21:45:44 GMT)
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Steiner's visie op antropologie vs zijn antroposofie (study of/meditation on man):
There was already a science of the study of "material man" called "anthrop-ology" when Steiner came to name his study of the multi-faceted spiritual and material human being, so he was forced to choose a different name and he chose "anthropo-sophy." Rightly understood anthropology is the study of man from a single perspective, the evidence of our senses only. Like a single photograph of a tree, a study of man from one perspective leaves out more than it tells. Here's what he calls anthropology:
[page 77] In this context, we are applying the name "anthropology" to the totality of our physical studies of the human being, including not only what is often attributed to it in the narrower sense of the word, but also human morphology, biology, and so on.
As for what he calls anthroposophy:
[page 81] Anthroposophy will study human beings as they present themselves to physical observation, but in the practice of this observation it will try to derive indications of a spiritual foundation from the physical phenomena. In this way, anthroposophy can make the transition from anthropology to theosophy.
http://www.doyletics.com/arj/aafrvw.htm
Note from asker:
Lienne, I was thinking that perhaps "spiritual science" might also be an option in my text. See e.g.: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=rudolf+steiner#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=rudolf+steiner+spiritual+science&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=87a337d6de7bbd6f |
I am thinking of using the phrase "human knowledge", in places where "spiritual science" doesn't seem to fit. I think it could be used as the object (of study) of Spiritual Science, perhaps. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
writeaway
: this is supposedly specialist matieral so the least people can do is use sources stemming directly from the Steiner writings. This is the official translation of the German original and using anything else makes no sense at all
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Thank you. I agree...
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agree |
philgoddard
: Though I'm not sure what an " official translation" is, writeaway!
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Thanks Phil. An English publication by Rudolf Steiner Publishing would suggest an 'official' translation, don't you think?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Lianne!"
8 mins
anthropology
also called mensenkunde if I am not mistaken ....
Note from asker:
I agree with Lianne. Rudolf Steiner would most definitely not have appreciated being referred to as an "anthropologist". |
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Lianne van de Ven
: see my note below. In Steiner's context, anthropology would be a wrong choice.
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agree |
Johan Venter
: Human science/biology = anthropology. In Dutch menskunde (not mensenkunde) = antropologie // for Lianne's sake, please see: http://www.apporte.nl/index.html
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1 hr
study of humanity
This is another possibility
1 hr
social sciences
Social Sciences are subjects that use research and analysis to explain human behaviour. These subjects include anthropology, psychology, and sociology, history, political science and economics
4 hrs
human biology
Van Dale gives this as the definition of menskunde.
Discussion
http://www.anthromedia.net/
http://www.nna-news.org/
Steiner may have seperated his two examples into remembering and beholding or inner and outer and drawn a line between the two and between practitioners of one or the other. Perhaps here in 2007, we have serious difficulty drawing lines between such things inner and outer, online/offline, real/virtual, true/false and so on.
http://www.breakingopenthehead.com/forum/archive/index.php/t...
Antropologie (menskunde) is de wetenschappelijke studie die zich bezighoudt met het bestuderen van het gedrag van de mens. Hierbij bestudeert men de biologische en het culturele verleden van de volken en vergelijkt men deze met de huidige samenlevingen.
Here is another one: http://www.mijnwoordenboek.nl/puzzelwoordenboek/menskunde/1
Google contains a few more confirmations