Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Blättern
English translation:
page-by-page scrolling
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Dr Andrew Read
May 5, 2005 12:32
19 yrs ago
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German term
United Kingdom
Style – accuracy – customer focus
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, Italian to English, and 1 more.
Blättern
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Computers: Software
developers' manual
I know there's a related question http://www.proz.com/kudoz/115916, but I'm not sure I understand how (or if) this is meant to be different from the scrolling mentioned in the previous sentence. This is from a manual for designers of the software to be used in a bank.
How do you understand "Blättern" here and how would you translate it? Note that "vor- and rückwärts blättern" is also used for the "page up" and "page down" functions in Windows.
2.1.4 Tabellen
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Generell ist darauf zu achten, dass entweder die Spalten die Breite der Tabelle überschreiten und link/rechts gescrollt werden muss oder die Zeilen die Höhe der Tabelle überschreiten und hoch/runter gescrollt werden muss. In keinem Fall sind beide Dimensionen zu überschreiten.
Wo immer möglich ist das Konzept des *Blätterns* zu nutzen, ohne eine Überschreitung der Breite der Tabelle. Beim blättern wird eine definierte Anzahl von Zeilen angezeigt und durch vor/zurück jeweils um diese Zahl der Einträge geblättert. Die Spalten überschreiten hierbei nicht die zur Verfügung stehende Breite.
How do you understand "Blättern" here and how would you translate it? Note that "vor- and rückwärts blättern" is also used for the "page up" and "page down" functions in Windows.
2.1.4 Tabellen
[...]
Generell ist darauf zu achten, dass entweder die Spalten die Breite der Tabelle überschreiten und link/rechts gescrollt werden muss oder die Zeilen die Höhe der Tabelle überschreiten und hoch/runter gescrollt werden muss. In keinem Fall sind beide Dimensionen zu überschreiten.
Wo immer möglich ist das Konzept des *Blätterns* zu nutzen, ohne eine Überschreitung der Breite der Tabelle. Beim blättern wird eine definierte Anzahl von Zeilen angezeigt und durch vor/zurück jeweils um diese Zahl der Einträge geblättert. Die Spalten überschreiten hierbei nicht die zur Verfügung stehende Breite.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +1 | two kinds of scrolling - see explanation |
Gabrielle Lyons
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| 4 +1 | to scroll |
Orla Shanaghy
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| 4 | turning pages |
David Moore (X)
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| 3 | comment |
Ken Cox
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| 2 | scroll/move pagewise |
muttersprachler
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Proposed translations
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54 mins
Gabrielle Lyons
Native in English
Specializes in field
The content matters.
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, German to English
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German term (edited):
Bl�ttern
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two kinds of scrolling - see explanation
As I understand it, the German is distinguishing between two versions of what English calls scrolling.
In the first, you can scroll gradually up or sideways until you get what you want on the screen - eg by clicking the scroll bar arrows in Windows.
In the second (Blattern) you scroll a whole 'page' at a time, i.e. the display moves by a set number of lines that - if set right!- moves you onto a screen that starts where the old one ended, just like turning a page in a book. eg clicking once on the scroll bar in Windows.
I don't know of set English terms but would suggest '(continuous) scrolling'for 1, and 'page-by-page (or screen-by-screen) scrolling' for 2. The link below might help too.
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Note added at 1 hr 0 min (2005-05-05 13:33:17 GMT)
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Better still, \'line-by-line\' and \'page-by-page\', as in this example:
\"Page by page scrolling (rather than line by line) is the best way of decreasing the frequency of scrolling ... but paging can be confusing.\"
http://www.cis.strath.ac.uk/~mdd/mobilehci01/procs/melchior_...
(I added hyphens as I believe in hypenating phrases used as adjectives, but that\'s optional.)
In the first, you can scroll gradually up or sideways until you get what you want on the screen - eg by clicking the scroll bar arrows in Windows.
In the second (Blattern) you scroll a whole 'page' at a time, i.e. the display moves by a set number of lines that - if set right!- moves you onto a screen that starts where the old one ended, just like turning a page in a book. eg clicking once on the scroll bar in Windows.
I don't know of set English terms but would suggest '(continuous) scrolling'for 1, and 'page-by-page (or screen-by-screen) scrolling' for 2. The link below might help too.
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Note added at 1 hr 0 min (2005-05-05 13:33:17 GMT)
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Better still, \'line-by-line\' and \'page-by-page\', as in this example:
\"Page by page scrolling (rather than line by line) is the best way of decreasing the frequency of scrolling ... but paging can be confusing.\"
http://www.cis.strath.ac.uk/~mdd/mobilehci01/procs/melchior_...
(I added hyphens as I believe in hypenating phrases used as adjectives, but that\'s optional.)
Peer comment(s):
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tectranslate ITS GmbH
: Agree with both the explanation and with the translations "page-by-page" and "line-by-line" (although "scrolling continuously" isn't bad, either.) You can probably not only use the scrollbars, but also use the PgUp & PgDn keys to the same effect.
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German term (edited):
Bl�ttern
to scroll
It seems to me from your text that simply 'scroll', in the same sense as 'scrollen' in the previous paragraph, is what is meant here. It's confusing that the author uses the two words for the same thing. I come across this every so often, too - it's as if the author is including a subtle explanation for readers who may not understand the Anglicized term.
36 mins
German term (edited):
Bl�ttern
turning pages
"The concept of 'turning pages'" as a noun phrase ("das Blättern"), from the verb "blättern" = "to turn (over) pages".
16 mins
German term (edited):
Bl�ttern
scroll/move pagewise
Was für ein Text :-(
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Note added at 40 mins (2005-05-05 13:13:34 GMT)
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Im ersten Abschnitt Geht es weniger um die Seitenweise Bewegung durch die Tabelle.
Es geht wohl darum, dass die Gefahr besteht, dass einzelne Felder so breit oder so hoch sind, dass man scrollen muss, um den kompletten Feldinhalt zu sehen. Das ist alles sehr schlecht und unklar formuliert. Wie kann eine Spalte breiter als die Tabelle sein? Gemient ist natürlich, dass die Spalte breiter als der Bildschirmausschnitt ist.
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Note added at 42 mins (2005-05-05 13:15:47 GMT)
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Wo ich gerade über schlechte Formulierungen rede:
Mit Gemient war natürlich gemeint gemeint. :-)
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Note added at 40 mins (2005-05-05 13:13:34 GMT)
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Im ersten Abschnitt Geht es weniger um die Seitenweise Bewegung durch die Tabelle.
Es geht wohl darum, dass die Gefahr besteht, dass einzelne Felder so breit oder so hoch sind, dass man scrollen muss, um den kompletten Feldinhalt zu sehen. Das ist alles sehr schlecht und unklar formuliert. Wie kann eine Spalte breiter als die Tabelle sein? Gemient ist natürlich, dass die Spalte breiter als der Bildschirmausschnitt ist.
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Note added at 42 mins (2005-05-05 13:15:47 GMT)
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Wo ich gerade über schlechte Formulierungen rede:
Mit Gemient war natürlich gemeint gemeint. :-)
1 hr
German term (edited):
Bl�ttern
comment
First, I agree with muttersprachler's comments -- my understanding of the first sentence in the context is that it is a rather clumsy way of saying that the layout must be designed such that the entire content of single cell (or set of cells) can be viewed without vertical or horizontal scrolling (shifting the displayed information vertically or horizontally).
The mechanism described in the second sentence is essentially a definition of paging, which (in this context) means moving through a document by jumping forward or backward by a defined number of lines, cells or whatever. In many applications, this can be made to be correspond to the vertical size of the screen (or the display window in a window-based system). By extension, horizontal 'paging' can be performed in a similar manner.
The mechanism described in the second sentence is essentially a definition of paging, which (in this context) means moving through a document by jumping forward or backward by a defined number of lines, cells or whatever. In many applications, this can be made to be correspond to the vertical size of the screen (or the display window in a window-based system). By extension, horizontal 'paging' can be performed in a similar manner.
Peer comment(s):
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tectranslate ITS GmbH
: Not exactly. They say if you have to scroll EITHER vertically or horizontally (not both!), it's still okay, BUT they prefer vertical scrolling. If possible, the application should allow for page-by-page viewing. "Horizontal paging" is not mentioned.
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