Tally

Chinese translation: 计件工资

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English term or phrase:Tally
Chinese translation:计件工资
Entered by: Lu Zou

09:22 May 28, 2006
English to Chinese translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Manufacturing
English term or phrase: Tally
Tally system, tally worker

澳洲肉類加工業使用的術語﹐似乎是一種自動化機械。但希望能得到確切的解釋或說明
Lu Zou
Australia
Local time: 10:29
估计是指按数字(跟按时间比); it relates to pay, and daily production quotas
Explanation:
估计是指按数字(跟按时间比); it relates to pay, and daily production quotas (I think we need to find a definition for this in Australian labour law/industrial relations):

"Second wave" industrial laws to strip workers' rights in Australia"Second wave" industrial laws to strip workers' rights in Australia ... An attempt to wipe out the tally system and undermine pay rates was at the centre of ...
www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/wra-a10.shtml - 24k - Cached - Similar pages


Workers struggles around the world: Asia, Australia and the Pacific... Australian mining company prosecuted; Meat workers conditions under attack ... Under the tally system, workers are only required to kill a specified ...
www.wsws.org/workers/1998/nov1998/lab-n14.shtml - 20k - Cached - Similar pages


Manual Handling in the Meat IndustryThe most quoted barrier related to the way the work was done, ie the tally system which imposes a production-based pace on tally and non-tally workers alike ...
www.safetyline.wa.gov.au/PageBin/manhhazd0018.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages


G&K O'GonnorsMeat Workers Union is workers organising collectively to defend our rights, ... was not entitled to decide to pay time rates rather than on a tally system. ...
vic.amieu.asn.au/pages.php?recid=38 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages


Vol 1-4: Chapter Four - A Brief History of Mudginberri and its ...l 1977 Meat and Allied Trades Federation of Australia served a log to create ... AMIEU submitted that a unit tally system should be introduced and that the ...
www.hrnicholls.com.au/nicholls/nichvol1/vol14cha.htm - 41k - Cached - Similar pages


Vol 15-6: Agreements without Unions - Russell AllenIn May 1974 the Federated Miscellaneous Workers' Union of Australia sought ... by the Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union to force a tally system on ...
www.hrnicholls.com.au/nicholls/nichvo15/vol156ag.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages


Butchered options | Features | The AustralianThe Australian, Australia's national daily newspaper. ... not under a tally system that boosted their pay once they passed a daily slaughtering quota of 280 ...
www.theaustralian.news.com.au/ story/0,20867,18734332-28737,00.html - Similar pages


NSW Office of Industrial Relations, Pay Equity Research Series ...A Full Bench decision of the Australian Industrial Relations Commission on 24 September 1999 found that the tally system used in the red meat industry was ...
www.workandfamily.nsw.gov.au/ payequity/research/execsum.html - 59k - Cached - Similar pages


[PDF] TRACING THE IMPACTS OF GLOBAL SOURCING ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES: A ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
The Decline and Fall of the Tally System in the Meat Processing. Industry. Australian Labour Bulletin, 28(3): 184-97. Tullberg, Jan. 2004. ...
eprints.otago.ac.nz/196/01/Insch.pdf - Similar pages


[PDF] Award InformationFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
from the Meat and Allied Trades Federation of Australia and. three representatives from the ... (ix) Any competent tally worker who successfully teaches ...
www.industrialcourt.sa.gov.au/ ezi_pdf/meat_industry_sa_award_ch_264.pdf - Similar pages



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explanation (2nd ref above):

'Under the tally system, workers are only required to kill a specified number of animals per day. Once the tally is finished they can cease work. '

'The most quoted barrier related to the way the work was done, ie the tally system which imposes a production-based pace on tally and non-tally workers alike. Labourers and packers have to work quickly to keep up with the work produced by the team, but do not receive the same high wages. This gap in pay between tally team members and other workers contributes to a difference in prestige associated with the work done, and hence, creates a barrier to returning to alternative work after injury.

Tally workers who are injured and off work on workers' compensation receive a lot less money as they drop down to the award wage. The same applies if they return to work on alternative duties. Because of the loss of tally benefits and status there is resistance by tally workers to returning to work in an alternative job, that may well be appropriate for improving physical capacity. '



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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 10:57:48 GMT)
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tally = 记分;记帐

or quota? = 工作定额? (朗文进阶词典)

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:07:24 GMT)
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tally can also be an object: tally-stick(符木棒:古时刻痕计数的木签)

《 词海拾贝Words and stories 》_◇ 中学英语◇_和风论坛_教育互联 - [ Translate this page ]小时候睡不着觉的时候,妈妈总是教我“数羊入睡法”,闭上眼睛幻想一只只羊儿从眼前跳 过栅栏,一只,两只,三只… ... Nick曾指tally-stick(符木棒:古时刻痕计数的木签) 上的划痕。在电脑诞生之前,符木棒上的划痕经常被用来记录数据,如贸易账目以及体育 ...
bbs.edu88.com/thread.jsp?boardid=143& threadid=48601&pageno=26&perpage=20&mode=block - 132k - Cached - Similar pages

剪羊毛时,我们给剪毛师傅算数,师傅按剪了几百头羊受工资. That's the shearer's tally. They call tally-ho when the pen of shorn sheep is full and the count is ready to be taken by the farmer. Well, it is the meat industry, but not necessarily the same meaning.

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http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:GeVqI7YZ-t4J:workers.lab...

-> the tally system gives an incentive/bonus for exceeding the 'tally' (= daily quota). The proposal is to remove the incentive/bonus. If that happens, then the workers become piece workers (I suppose).

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:17:35 GMT)
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'The tally system introduced into the award contained units of labour (the result of a time and motion study) used in a formula which takes into account the number, size and condition of a beast, the size of a work team and the prescribed amount of labour input per head to calculate how much a slaughterer should be paid. The fairness of the system lay in that you were paid for the work that you performed. There was an incentive payment made for reaching and continuing beyond a number of beasts processed in a day.

In the meat industry this allowed for a quick killing and dressing of a beast so that it would reach the chillers as quickly as possible while maintaining quality standards in performing slaughtering jobs. '

-> it seems to be based on production by work teams, using a formula for units of labour. 生产定额系统?

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:19:49 GMT)
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you are right, it was introduced when chains were introduced into freezing works. (like a production line, conveyor belt 生产线)

'A tally system was first introduced into awards in the mid-1960's, ironically at the instigation of the employers and in the face of opposition from the Union. It came about once a chain system was introduced into abattoirs. This allowed the animal carcass to be hung from a chain and workers to perform the same task on each carcass as it moved on the chain around the slaughter floor. A slaughterman was no longer solely responsible for dismembering and dressing the beast but could now perform an individual task such as fronting out the beast or removing the legs.'



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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-05-28 11:33:32 GMT)
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I can't say much about whether this is accurate or representative of conditions in freezing works - 宰羊车间:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:LPpZWl7yYykJ:www.china-s...
Selected response from:

chica nueva
Local time: 12:29
Grading comment
最后选择了"计件工资制"

谢谢Lesley及大家!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1理货
Ray Luo
3 +2估计是指按数字(跟按时间比); it relates to pay, and daily production quotas
chica nueva
5FYI
clearwater
4Tally System = 赊卖
Philip Tang
3计量工作
wherestip


  

Answers


25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
tally
理货


Explanation:
tally clerk 理货员tally company 理货公司tally sheet 计数单tally shop 赊销店tally system 赊卖tally trade 赊卖tally

Tally 理货Tally clerk 理货员Tally sheet (book) 理货单

Tally Report 理 货报告



Ray Luo
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:29
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  pkchan: 結算,結數
3 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
tally
计量工作


Explanation:
Here's a definition for "tally clerk", which should be the same type function

http://wordhut.com/definitions/tally_clerk.htm

Meaning of tally clerk
1. (n) one who keeps a tally of quantity or weight of goods produced or shipped or received


wherestip
United States
Local time: 19:29
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ChineseChinese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  chica nueva: IMO not a tally clerk in this industrial relations context in the meatworks...
16 hrs
  -> Thanks. I see what you mean after reading some of your links.
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tally
估计是指按数字(跟按时间比); it relates to pay, and daily production quotas


Explanation:
估计是指按数字(跟按时间比); it relates to pay, and daily production quotas (I think we need to find a definition for this in Australian labour law/industrial relations):

"Second wave" industrial laws to strip workers' rights in Australia"Second wave" industrial laws to strip workers' rights in Australia ... An attempt to wipe out the tally system and undermine pay rates was at the centre of ...
www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/wra-a10.shtml - 24k - Cached - Similar pages


Workers struggles around the world: Asia, Australia and the Pacific... Australian mining company prosecuted; Meat workers conditions under attack ... Under the tally system, workers are only required to kill a specified ...
www.wsws.org/workers/1998/nov1998/lab-n14.shtml - 20k - Cached - Similar pages


Manual Handling in the Meat IndustryThe most quoted barrier related to the way the work was done, ie the tally system which imposes a production-based pace on tally and non-tally workers alike ...
www.safetyline.wa.gov.au/PageBin/manhhazd0018.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages


G&K O'GonnorsMeat Workers Union is workers organising collectively to defend our rights, ... was not entitled to decide to pay time rates rather than on a tally system. ...
vic.amieu.asn.au/pages.php?recid=38 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages


Vol 1-4: Chapter Four - A Brief History of Mudginberri and its ...l 1977 Meat and Allied Trades Federation of Australia served a log to create ... AMIEU submitted that a unit tally system should be introduced and that the ...
www.hrnicholls.com.au/nicholls/nichvol1/vol14cha.htm - 41k - Cached - Similar pages


Vol 15-6: Agreements without Unions - Russell AllenIn May 1974 the Federated Miscellaneous Workers' Union of Australia sought ... by the Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union to force a tally system on ...
www.hrnicholls.com.au/nicholls/nichvo15/vol156ag.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages


Butchered options | Features | The AustralianThe Australian, Australia's national daily newspaper. ... not under a tally system that boosted their pay once they passed a daily slaughtering quota of 280 ...
www.theaustralian.news.com.au/ story/0,20867,18734332-28737,00.html - Similar pages


NSW Office of Industrial Relations, Pay Equity Research Series ...A Full Bench decision of the Australian Industrial Relations Commission on 24 September 1999 found that the tally system used in the red meat industry was ...
www.workandfamily.nsw.gov.au/ payequity/research/execsum.html - 59k - Cached - Similar pages


[PDF] TRACING THE IMPACTS OF GLOBAL SOURCING ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES: A ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
The Decline and Fall of the Tally System in the Meat Processing. Industry. Australian Labour Bulletin, 28(3): 184-97. Tullberg, Jan. 2004. ...
eprints.otago.ac.nz/196/01/Insch.pdf - Similar pages


[PDF] Award InformationFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
from the Meat and Allied Trades Federation of Australia and. three representatives from the ... (ix) Any competent tally worker who successfully teaches ...
www.industrialcourt.sa.gov.au/ ezi_pdf/meat_industry_sa_award_ch_264.pdf - Similar pages



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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 10:51:32 GMT)
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explanation (2nd ref above):

'Under the tally system, workers are only required to kill a specified number of animals per day. Once the tally is finished they can cease work. '

'The most quoted barrier related to the way the work was done, ie the tally system which imposes a production-based pace on tally and non-tally workers alike. Labourers and packers have to work quickly to keep up with the work produced by the team, but do not receive the same high wages. This gap in pay between tally team members and other workers contributes to a difference in prestige associated with the work done, and hence, creates a barrier to returning to alternative work after injury.

Tally workers who are injured and off work on workers' compensation receive a lot less money as they drop down to the award wage. The same applies if they return to work on alternative duties. Because of the loss of tally benefits and status there is resistance by tally workers to returning to work in an alternative job, that may well be appropriate for improving physical capacity. '



--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 10:57:48 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

tally = 记分;记帐

or quota? = 工作定额? (朗文进阶词典)

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:07:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

tally can also be an object: tally-stick(符木棒:古时刻痕计数的木签)

《 词海拾贝Words and stories 》_◇ 中学英语◇_和风论坛_教育互联 - [ Translate this page ]小时候睡不着觉的时候,妈妈总是教我“数羊入睡法”,闭上眼睛幻想一只只羊儿从眼前跳 过栅栏,一只,两只,三只… ... Nick曾指tally-stick(符木棒:古时刻痕计数的木签) 上的划痕。在电脑诞生之前,符木棒上的划痕经常被用来记录数据,如贸易账目以及体育 ...
bbs.edu88.com/thread.jsp?boardid=143& threadid=48601&pageno=26&perpage=20&mode=block - 132k - Cached - Similar pages

剪羊毛时,我们给剪毛师傅算数,师傅按剪了几百头羊受工资. That's the shearer's tally. They call tally-ho when the pen of shorn sheep is full and the count is ready to be taken by the farmer. Well, it is the meat industry, but not necessarily the same meaning.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:11:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:GeVqI7YZ-t4J:workers.lab...

-> the tally system gives an incentive/bonus for exceeding the 'tally' (= daily quota). The proposal is to remove the incentive/bonus. If that happens, then the workers become piece workers (I suppose).

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:17:35 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

'The tally system introduced into the award contained units of labour (the result of a time and motion study) used in a formula which takes into account the number, size and condition of a beast, the size of a work team and the prescribed amount of labour input per head to calculate how much a slaughterer should be paid. The fairness of the system lay in that you were paid for the work that you performed. There was an incentive payment made for reaching and continuing beyond a number of beasts processed in a day.

In the meat industry this allowed for a quick killing and dressing of a beast so that it would reach the chillers as quickly as possible while maintaining quality standards in performing slaughtering jobs. '

-> it seems to be based on production by work teams, using a formula for units of labour. 生产定额系统?

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-28 11:19:49 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

you are right, it was introduced when chains were introduced into freezing works. (like a production line, conveyor belt 生产线)

'A tally system was first introduced into awards in the mid-1960's, ironically at the instigation of the employers and in the face of opposition from the Union. It came about once a chain system was introduced into abattoirs. This allowed the animal carcass to be hung from a chain and workers to perform the same task on each carcass as it moved on the chain around the slaughter floor. A slaughterman was no longer solely responsible for dismembering and dressing the beast but could now perform an individual task such as fronting out the beast or removing the legs.'



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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-05-28 11:33:32 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I can't say much about whether this is accurate or representative of conditions in freezing works - 宰羊车间:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:LPpZWl7yYykJ:www.china-s...

chica nueva
Local time: 12:29
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 26
Grading comment
最后选择了"计件工资制"

谢谢Lesley及大家!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  wherestip: Agree. Your links provide the context of what is meant by "tally system" and a "tally worker" that works under such a system. '按头来算'
1 day 2 hrs

agree  IC --
1 day 2 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
tally
Tally System = 赊卖


Explanation:
tally system [简明英汉词典] n.<英>赊卖

Philip Tang
China
Local time: 08:29
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ChineseChinese
PRO pts in category: 4
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
tally
FYI


Explanation:
这应该不是新词,仍可以沿用其常义:
计数、核点、点货、理货

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Note added at 12 hrs (2006-05-28 21:30:46 GMT)
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Tally system:点货系统/点货机
tally worker:点货工/点货员

clearwater
China
Local time: 08:29
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  chica nueva: context - 跟'货'关系不大...
5 hrs
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