Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Polish term or phrase:
kleryk zakonny
English translation:
1. monastic cleric; 2. scholastic
Added to glossary by
Piotr Czyżewski
Jan 8, 2010 14:13
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Polish term
kleryk zakonny
Polish to English
Other
Religion
jezuici posiadali studia teologiczne dla swoich kleryków zakonnych
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | monastic cleric |
Piotr Czyżewski
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| 4 | novice |
JPG
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| 4 | religious cleric (or canon regular) |
Miriam300
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| 4 | scholastic |
karolinki
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Mar 25, 2010 10:27: Piotr Czyżewski Created KOG entry
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monastic cleric
vs. secular cleric (kleryk świecki)
http://www2.ling.pl/index.html#words?act[0]=0&word[0]=seminarian&lang[0]=&act[1]=1&word[1]=kleryk&lang[1]=
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Tutaj działający link do słownika:
http://tinyurl.com/yfobwqp
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Ech, znowu link nie działa... Anyway, po wpisaniu "kleryk" w Linga pojawia się m. in. hasło ze słownika religijnego "kleryk zakonny" i "kleryk świecki".
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Być może się pospieszyłem polegając na tłumaczeniu słownikowym... Uzupełniam: określenie "monastic cleric" odnosi się nie tyle do kleryków przygotowywanych do kapłaństwa co do duchownych żyjących we wspólnotach zakonnych/monastycznych. Zapewne nie o takich "kleryków" chodzi Askerowi, chociaż w zasadzie też mogli studiować.
monastic seminarians
- Jeśli Askerowi chodzi o kleryków uczących się w seminariach przygotowujących do kapłaństwa, to raczej to by pasowało.
Tu kilka linków (zróżnicowane są tam pojęcia "kleryk świecki"/"kleryk diecezjalny" - "diocaesan seminarian" - i "kleryk zakonny")
"Although these needs challenged the scarce resources of the new arrivals, Father Boniface adapted his plan to meet the needs of English-speaking Catholics (mostly Irish). He further developed a college curriculum broad enough for secular students without compromising the dynamics of a major seminary composed of diocesan and monastic seminarians."
http://www.saintvincentseminary.edu/aboutus/history.lasso
http://www.ats.edu/Resources/Publications/Documents/TE/1998T... - str 81
http://univ.gda.pl/~literat/kitowic/k0029.htm
"W ogóle w 1969 r. służbę wojskową odbywało 385 kleryków diecezjalnychi 51 kleryków zakonnych."http://digital.fides.org.pl/Content/515/bds-11a.pdf - str 100
http://www2.ling.pl/index.html#words?act[0]=0&word[0]=seminarian&lang[0]=&act[1]=1&word[1]=kleryk&lang[1]=
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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-01-08 18:52:20 GMT)
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Tutaj działający link do słownika:
http://tinyurl.com/yfobwqp
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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-01-08 18:58:30 GMT)
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Ech, znowu link nie działa... Anyway, po wpisaniu "kleryk" w Linga pojawia się m. in. hasło ze słownika religijnego "kleryk zakonny" i "kleryk świecki".
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Note added at 10 hrs (2010-01-09 00:16:05 GMT)
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Być może się pospieszyłem polegając na tłumaczeniu słownikowym... Uzupełniam: określenie "monastic cleric" odnosi się nie tyle do kleryków przygotowywanych do kapłaństwa co do duchownych żyjących we wspólnotach zakonnych/monastycznych. Zapewne nie o takich "kleryków" chodzi Askerowi, chociaż w zasadzie też mogli studiować.
monastic seminarians
- Jeśli Askerowi chodzi o kleryków uczących się w seminariach przygotowujących do kapłaństwa, to raczej to by pasowało.
Tu kilka linków (zróżnicowane są tam pojęcia "kleryk świecki"/"kleryk diecezjalny" - "diocaesan seminarian" - i "kleryk zakonny")
"Although these needs challenged the scarce resources of the new arrivals, Father Boniface adapted his plan to meet the needs of English-speaking Catholics (mostly Irish). He further developed a college curriculum broad enough for secular students without compromising the dynamics of a major seminary composed of diocesan and monastic seminarians."
http://www.saintvincentseminary.edu/aboutus/history.lasso
http://www.ats.edu/Resources/Publications/Documents/TE/1998T... - str 81
http://univ.gda.pl/~literat/kitowic/k0029.htm
"W ogóle w 1969 r. służbę wojskową odbywało 385 kleryków diecezjalnychi 51 kleryków zakonnych."http://digital.fides.org.pl/Content/515/bds-11a.pdf - str 100
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novice
1. A person still training to become a monk or a nun (see: Cambridge Advanced Learners' Dictionary)
2. (Novice) is the canonical Latin name of those who, having been regularly admitted into a religious order and ordinarily already confirmed in their higher vocation by a certain period of probation as postulants, are prepared by a series of exercises and tests for the religious profession.
2. (Novice) is the canonical Latin name of those who, having been regularly admitted into a religious order and ordinarily already confirmed in their higher vocation by a certain period of probation as postulants, are prepared by a series of exercises and tests for the religious profession.
Reference:
9 hrs
religious cleric (or canon regular)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03288a.htm
According to St. Thomas Aquinas, a canon regular is essentially a religious cleric, or, as the same doctor aptly expresses it: "The Order of Canons Regular is necessarily constituted by religious clerics, because they are essentially destined to those works which relate to the Divine mysteries, whereas it is not so with the monastic Orders." (II-II:189:8 ad 2um, and II-II:184:8). We have then here what constitutes a canon regular and what distinguishes him from a monk. The clerical state is essential to the Order of Canons Regular, whereas it is only accidental to the Monastic Order. Hence Erasmus, himself a canon regular, declared that the canons regular are a quid medium between the monks and the secular clergy.
**a cleric- A person ordained for service in a Christian church-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleric ; http://www.answers.com/topic/cleric
**religious- belonging to a community of monks, nuns, etc
http://www.yourdictionary.com/religious
According to St. Thomas Aquinas, a canon regular is essentially a religious cleric, or, as the same doctor aptly expresses it: "The Order of Canons Regular is necessarily constituted by religious clerics, because they are essentially destined to those works which relate to the Divine mysteries, whereas it is not so with the monastic Orders." (II-II:189:8 ad 2um, and II-II:184:8). We have then here what constitutes a canon regular and what distinguishes him from a monk. The clerical state is essential to the Order of Canons Regular, whereas it is only accidental to the Monastic Order. Hence Erasmus, himself a canon regular, declared that the canons regular are a quid medium between the monks and the secular clergy.
**a cleric- A person ordained for service in a Christian church-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleric ; http://www.answers.com/topic/cleric
**religious- belonging to a community of monks, nuns, etc
http://www.yourdictionary.com/religious
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scholastic
Jezuici stanowią dość specyficzny zakon i nie żyją we wspólnotach monastycznych, dlatego "monastic cleric" raczej nie pasuje. Czas po nowicjacie a przed kapłaństwem jest zazwyczaj wypełniony studiami, najpierw filozoficznymi a potem teologicznymi, lub innymi. Dlatego scholastic wydaje mi się bardziej właściwe.
Example sentence:
With these vows [after two years of novitiate] Jesuit scholastics and brothers normally begin a three-year period of philosophy and theology studies.
So whilst Jesuits training for the priesthood (scholastics) undertake the study of philosophy and theology required for ordination (see the table below), and Jesuit brothers will do similar studies (...)
Reference:
http://www.jesuit.org/old/BecomingJesuit/FormationTheFirstStep/default.aspx
http://www.jesuitvocations.org.uk/the-stages-of-jesuit-formation/
Discussion
http://www.sjnen.org/Document.Doc?id=49
http://www.jesuitvocation.org/information/become.shtml