Mar 13, 2003 22:08
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French term
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
appareillage à joints perdus
escalier en marches massives avec un appareillage à joints perdus
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| 5 +2 | bond |
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| 3 +1 | concealed joint bond |
Peter McCavana
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Only part of the answer here. Appareillage is "bond", or the layout of bricks or blocks for structural stability and aesthetic effect.
What "joints perdus" is, I cannot fathom. The closest I can come is "pierre perdue", where the stone is fully embedded in mortar. This certainly can't be the sitaution in your case.
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I knew I\'d come across the term, but I was looking for it in brick and stonework, not in flooring where it should be rightfully used.
Strip flooring using boards of random length, making no effort to place the butt joints above joists, is known as \"parquet à coupe perdue\" or \"à joints perdus\". Quite how this applies to stonework is not obvious (no joists). Whether or not the stones are \"coursed\" (or whatever the horizontal equivalent is), i.e. in layers (ashlar) I don\'t know, but whatever they are, they have to be random sizes, in length if not in height. \"Random ashlar\" (US) or \"coursed squared rubble\" (UK) might be close. The best approximation I can come up with is just to say \"ashlared\", and specify no further (stairs made of solid stone, ashlared)
What "joints perdus" is, I cannot fathom. The closest I can come is "pierre perdue", where the stone is fully embedded in mortar. This certainly can't be the sitaution in your case.
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Note added at 2003-03-14 00:42:53 (GMT)
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I knew I\'d come across the term, but I was looking for it in brick and stonework, not in flooring where it should be rightfully used.
Strip flooring using boards of random length, making no effort to place the butt joints above joists, is known as \"parquet à coupe perdue\" or \"à joints perdus\". Quite how this applies to stonework is not obvious (no joists). Whether or not the stones are \"coursed\" (or whatever the horizontal equivalent is), i.e. in layers (ashlar) I don\'t know, but whatever they are, they have to be random sizes, in length if not in height. \"Random ashlar\" (US) or \"coursed squared rubble\" (UK) might be close. The best approximation I can come up with is just to say \"ashlared\", and specify no further (stairs made of solid stone, ashlared)
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David Sirett
: "joints perdus" seems to mean that joints in each layer are not aligned - on Google it leads to parquet flooring hits.
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Thanks, David, you've put me on the right track.
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Peter McCavana
: "bond" is probably right. For the rest, we definitely need ***more info***
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This is just an educated guess.
I don't really suggest a "final" answer, since there are so many possibilities and such little context provided by the asker.
In building construction vocabulary, "perdu" can mean various things:
* lost - e.g. coffrage perdu = lost formwork OR sacrificial formwork [according to Montague's Dict of Building & Civil Eng.]
* disposable - e.g. container/conteneur perdu = disposable container
* countersunk - e.g. rivet à tête perdu = countersunk rivet
* flush - e.g. porte perdu = smooth door flush with a wall or partition
In this case of "escalier en marches massives avec un appareillage à joints perdus", I wonder if "joints perdus" may mean the following:
* concealed joints
* overlapping/lap joints
* splice joints
* or even recessed pointing (=joints creux) [even though "recessed" is virtually the opposite of "flush"]
* "appareil"/"appareillage" normally means "bond(ing)", or the layout/arrangement of bricks or blocks.
And, of course, "joint" can mean many things, including:
* joint
* jointing (=assemblage, jointoiement)
* pointing (of masonry) (=jointoiement)
* gasket, etc.
But, as usual, it all depends...
Considering the wide range of possibilities, __more context__ would be very useful: the immediate context of the phrase in question, and the overall context of the document or the relevant section of the document.
For example, we don't really know what material(s) is/are involved in the "escalier en marches massives".
I don't really suggest a "final" answer, since there are so many possibilities and such little context provided by the asker.
In building construction vocabulary, "perdu" can mean various things:
* lost - e.g. coffrage perdu = lost formwork OR sacrificial formwork [according to Montague's Dict of Building & Civil Eng.]
* disposable - e.g. container/conteneur perdu = disposable container
* countersunk - e.g. rivet à tête perdu = countersunk rivet
* flush - e.g. porte perdu = smooth door flush with a wall or partition
In this case of "escalier en marches massives avec un appareillage à joints perdus", I wonder if "joints perdus" may mean the following:
* concealed joints
* overlapping/lap joints
* splice joints
* or even recessed pointing (=joints creux) [even though "recessed" is virtually the opposite of "flush"]
* "appareil"/"appareillage" normally means "bond(ing)", or the layout/arrangement of bricks or blocks.
And, of course, "joint" can mean many things, including:
* joint
* jointing (=assemblage, jointoiement)
* pointing (of masonry) (=jointoiement)
* gasket, etc.
But, as usual, it all depends...
Considering the wide range of possibilities, __more context__ would be very useful: the immediate context of the phrase in question, and the overall context of the document or the relevant section of the document.
For example, we don't really know what material(s) is/are involved in the "escalier en marches massives".
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Yolanda Broad
: If you come up with something *definitive*, can you please put it in the glossary. MTIA. Yolanda
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