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Aug 13, 2019 23:54
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English term

Nude (art)

English to Malay Art/Literary Photography/Imaging (& Graphic Arts)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nude_(art)

The translation will be used as a heading in a website.

I do not think it proper to translate it as 'Bogel/Telanjang' for Malay audience?
Proposed translations (Malay)
3 +1 lukisan tubuh/tubuh manusia
2 (seni) bogel

Discussion

D. I. Verrelli Aug 15, 2019:
"tubuh manusia" (2) There is another potential issue with "tubuh manusia" that I didn't expect.

I had thought this was a very promising idea that definitely conveyed the required meaning — until I searched for images that came up for my idea of "seni badan" (and the same for "seni tubuh" and "lukisan tubuh").

As mentioned in the preceding Discussion post, the expression can also appear in connection with pornography, and could be misunderstood by readers that way. (As could "bogel" or "telanjang", of course).

On the other hand, it can also be used — against my expectation — to refer to clothed bodies, and so could create a misapprehension in readers (which wouldn't happen with "bogel" or "telanjang").
Example:
"Dan setelah Gaya Tipografi Internasional, berkembang gaya New York (New York School) yang semakin menghilangkan unsur visual tubuh manusia pada posternya. Misalnya pada poster film. Poster film yang biasanya menggunakan visual dari bintang filmnya berubah menjadi poster film yang gambar visualnya merupakan metafora visual yang ditafsirkan dari esensi cerita film tersebut."
https://adipamungkas.blogspot.com/2009/06/tubuh-manusia-dan-...
This entire essay is like that.
D. I. Verrelli Aug 15, 2019:
"tubuh manusia" (1) I am still concerned that "lukisan tubuh/badan" and "seni tubuh/badan" can be misunderstood as "body art" (art painted/drawn onto skin). I guess that problem won't occur with "fotografi", but not all of the art involved is photography.

Another variation would be e.g. "penggambaran tubuh manusia", which doesn't seem possible to misunderstand as "body art".
Even this doesn't completely remove possibility of readers getting the wrong impression, as this innocuously intended phrase could also be used in other contexts:
"Pornografi adalah penggambaran tubuh manusia atau perilaku seksualitas manusia secara terbuka dengan tujuan membangkitkan berahi."
https://www.kompasiana.com/gabypusung6413/5cfda4f23d68d57d24...

I think overall the question of who precisely the audience will be is an important one.
Clearly it will be Malay readers. Even so, the best solution could vary for school students versus university students, or the general public versus visual artists, and so on.

My recommendation would be to go down to the nearest library in Malaysia and check out some Malay-language art books there and see what they use.
D. I. Verrelli Aug 15, 2019:
"halus" "Halus" may be linked to the English concept of "fine arts".
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seni#Bidang_kesenian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art#Two-dimensional_works

Proposed translations

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lukisan tubuh/tubuh manusia

I have been translating a series of material in the fine arts, and have found it works to use "tubuh" or "tubuh manusia". I won't say I'm completely confident, but think about it: "tubuh" refers to the human body, and no one would imagine a clothed body. Plus it has none of the sexual or lurid connotations that "nude" precisely avoids. You could say "lukisan tubuh" or "fotografi tubuh manusia" or "seni tubuh manusia" and in my opinion it works in a way that "bogel/telanjang" do not.
Peer comment(s):
neutral D. I. Verrelli : It's a good idea. I had thought of "seni badan" ...but that seemed to correspond to "body art" (art painted/drawn onto skin). When I search now online for images with the phrase "seni tubuh" or "lukisan tubuh", it also shows pictures of body art.
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agree yam2u
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(seni) bogel

I am not sure, but there has to be a word used, and Malaysian Wikipedia is using "bogel" (since 2011 or 2012).

"Istilah "seni bogel" digunakan bagi objek seni dengan seorang tokoh bogel manusia yang membuat kira-kira satu perempat daripada kawasan permukaan dan tidak sengaja erotik."
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seni_bogel
(Contrary to the article, "figurenude panjang" seems to be hardly used. https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"figurenude panjang" )

"Fotografi bogel adalah gaya seni fotografi yang menggambarkan tubuh manusia bogel sebagai satu kajian. Fotografi bogel perlu dibezakan dari fotografi daya penarik, yang memberi penekanan yang lebih kepada model dan keseksualannya, dan melayan model sebagai subjek utama. Fotografi bogel juga perlu dibezakan dari fotografi erotik, yang mempunyai komponen seksual. Fotografi bogel juga dibezakan daripada fotografi lucah, yang bersifat seksual yang eksplisit. "
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fotografi_bogel

"Seperti namanya, fotografi bogel terdiri daripada pencahayaan badan telanjang sepenuhnya. Ini boleh bertindak sebagai pusat tunggal imej atau dimasukkan ke dalam latar belakang tertentu.
Seni memotret badan yang tidak dibentuk adalah untuk mengambil gambar badan masing-masing dengan cara yang terbaik untuk dapat menangkap keindahan optik dan keunikan orang tersebut selama-lamanya.
Bidang fotografi bogel berbeza
Fotografi bogel digunakan di kawasan yang sangat berbeza hari ini:
Di satu pihak terdapat model profesional yang menjalani bentuk fotografi ini untuk kempen pengiklanan khas, gambar erotik, dan sebagainya. Gambar-gambar ini boleh diterbitkan di majalah atau di internet.
Walau bagaimanapun, fotografi bogel juga merupakan kawasan penting banyak universiti - contohnya dalam mata pelajaran "seni" dan "fotografi". Kerana sebagai tambahan kepada pengetahuan teoritis semata-mata, para pelajar harus menunjukkan kemahiran mereka dalam amalan untuk terus berkembang terus menerus."
https://malvorlagen-seite.de/ms/aktfotografie/

If you're still really concerned that not just images but even the word "bogel" could be offensive or shocking to your audience, or that they might misunderstand it, then would "(seni) orang tidak/tak berpakaian" be any better???

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Note added at 12 hrs (2019-08-14 12:07:25 GMT)
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"Seni badan" and "seni tubuh" seem to be used to describe "body art" (art painted/drawn onto skin).
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=+"lukisan tubuh&qu...

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Note added at 12 hrs (2019-08-14 12:16:58 GMT)
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Would it help to add an adjective indicating respectful/polite/decorous/discreet?
(seni) bogel halus
(seni) bogel bersopan
(seni) bogel beradab
(seni) bogel bijaksana
This is brainstorming, to provide some more options for you.

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Note added at 12 hrs (2019-08-14 12:53:05 GMT)
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Another idea would be to use a euphemism. I don't know what it would be in Malay, but in English perhaps something like "people/person in their natural state".

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Note added at 12 hrs (2019-08-14 12:54:17 GMT)
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For your interest only: https://www.etymonline.com/word/nude

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Note added at 13 hrs (2019-08-14 13:39:35 GMT)
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Any point to add "artistik", as in "(seni) bogel artistik"?

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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs (2019-08-15 12:23:48 GMT)
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One more thought: "seni anatomis". This also suggests the body, without any sexual connotation — but it's not very idiomatic, and might be interpreted as relating to medical artwork.
Note from asker:
Thank you for your genuine interest to help with the term. I believe in an encyclopaedia (like in the Wikipedia), it is acceptable to translate to 'bogel', although it still rings negatively to Malay ears and psyche, but since this word is used in the context of a paid website, I prefer to avoid all the negative connotation that may come with the word (not suitable for cultural context in marketing /advertising something to the Malay at large).
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