Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
Collectiviteitsgedachte
English translation:
Group perspective
Added to glossary by
jarry (X)
Dec 9, 2004 15:22
20 yrs ago
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collectiviteitsgedachte
Dutch to English
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polder model
This is one of those terms that describes the Dutch mindset, and I'm having a bit of difficulty with an acceptable rendering in English. The context is: because of technicalities, certain categories of employees do not qualify for certain minor benefits under a very complex pension scheme. However, they are still expected to pay the full contributions. The reason cited is "Vanuit de collectiviteitsgedachte moet volgens het pensioenfonds wel premie worden betaald".
I was thinking of something with 'collective responsibility', but I'm a bit doubtful of whether this captures the real meaning...
Can anyone help me out?
I was thinking of something with 'collective responsibility', but I'm a bit doubtful of whether this captures the real meaning...
Can anyone help me out?
Proposed translations
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| 4 | Group perspective |
jarry (X)
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| 3 +4 | 'solidarity' thinking |
seaMount
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| 5 +1 | In the interest of the common good |
Richenel Ansano
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| 3 +1 | consensus |
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
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| 3 | collective frame of mind |
AllisonK (X)
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Proposed translations
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Group perspective
Pension schemes often cater for groups of people, such as those employed by a company or group of companies. I think that this "collectiviteitsgedachte" refers to that aspect.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Hi Jarry, I think that this is it, although I have worded it slightly differently to fit in with the rest of the text."
+1
29 mins
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
Netherlands
Netherlands
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Specializes in field
Netherlands
Tailoring to your specific needs
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English
Related KudoZ points
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27
consensus
Literal translation: 'collective thought/opinion' which to me translates into 'consensus'.
Peer comment(s):
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AllisonK (X)
: for me too.......;)
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+4
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'solidarity' thinking
I doubt it if this refers to "poldermodel" (which refers to a specific way to come to agreements by consultation etc.)
The first thing that comes to my mind reading this text is that it refers to 'principles of solidarity' or '.. (basis of) collectivity'
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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....
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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....
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Misschien refereert het aan \"priciple of equal treatment\"
Uit: Geneva Retirement Plan and Taxations - beschrijft ook Principle of Collectivity and Solidarity
http://www.genevoise.ch/e/pdf/Fiscalité_Prévoyance.pdf
The first thing that comes to my mind reading this text is that it refers to 'principles of solidarity' or '.. (basis of) collectivity'
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Note added at 12 mins (2004-12-09 15:35:29 GMT)
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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....
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Note added at 12 mins (2004-12-09 15:35:35 GMT)
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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....
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Note added at 42 mins (2004-12-09 16:04:58 GMT)
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Misschien refereert het aan \"priciple of equal treatment\"
Uit: Geneva Retirement Plan and Taxations - beschrijft ook Principle of Collectivity and Solidarity
http://www.genevoise.ch/e/pdf/Fiscalité_Prévoyance.pdf
Peer comment(s):
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Tina Vonhof (X)
: solidarity principle (equal treatment it is not).
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thanks Tina, agree (but still longing for an expert opinion)
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Ken Cox
: As good as you'll get (solidarity is also a bit of a foreign concept in English-speaking countries, especially in the good ol' US of A).
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thanks Kenneth (yeah, what's that saying on old and wise?)
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| agree |
FullCircle (X)
: of solidarity principle
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Dank je Marion, confirming!
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shineda
: with principle
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Thanks Shineda
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Richenel Ansano
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In the interest of the common good
This is a common expression that covers this concept in this case. In some other contexts it does not hold as nicely, but I think it is what you are looking for in this case.
The rational seems to be that if these employees do not pay into the pension fund they are depriving the government of funds to provide for a more equal distribution of resources in the society as a whole. A case of redistributive justice.
The rational seems to be that if these employees do not pay into the pension fund they are depriving the government of funds to provide for a more equal distribution of resources in the society as a whole. A case of redistributive justice.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: I think this would work as well.
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Thank you Tina.
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collective frame of mind
...springs to mind. Don't know if this quite captures it though
... Increase confidence in the meaning of a Binghamton degree. COLLECTIVE FRAME OF MIND.
We will all learn about matters that involve our core values. ...
provost.binghamton.edu/ assessment/swain_presentation.ppt
... Among the general public, the outpouring of affection for Reagan may be more a snapshot
of our collective frame of mind than a judgment on his presidency. ...
hnn.us/roundup/entries/5644.html - 18k
... These poems put TS Eliot’s objective correlative to work; each poetic journey
symbolizes, from a distance, a personal or collective frame of mind. ...
j... into an oligarchy, the argument begins--an argument buttressed with facts, figures,
and observations--and the nation's collective frame of mind has changed as ...
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/0802114466?v=glance&vi=reviews - 52k - Toegevoegde zoekresultaten acketmagazine.com/19/rode.html - 9k
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or.......you might very well have said it yourself with the word \'mindset\' - collective mindset?
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on second thought, there are loads of hits for \'collective mindset\' -
... Powerful resolutions came from the collective mindset of the union membership. ... We
used the collective mindset of the real experts, the union members. ...
www.janicecalnan.com/index. php?sv=&category=3&title=68 - 35k
... The state thrives on a collective mindset; its existence depends upon the refusal
of people to make fundamental inquiries into their thinking and behavior. ...
www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer90.html - 24k
... This is a good thing, but this collective mindset creates a massive barrier to
implementing enterprise-wide solutions, unless they also identify and pursue ...
www.beingfirst.com/changeresources/articles/200209/ - 60k
... Increase confidence in the meaning of a Binghamton degree. COLLECTIVE FRAME OF MIND.
We will all learn about matters that involve our core values. ...
provost.binghamton.edu/ assessment/swain_presentation.ppt
... Among the general public, the outpouring of affection for Reagan may be more a snapshot
of our collective frame of mind than a judgment on his presidency. ...
hnn.us/roundup/entries/5644.html - 18k
... These poems put TS Eliot’s objective correlative to work; each poetic journey
symbolizes, from a distance, a personal or collective frame of mind. ...
j... into an oligarchy, the argument begins--an argument buttressed with facts, figures,
and observations--and the nation's collective frame of mind has changed as ...
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/0802114466?v=glance&vi=reviews - 52k - Toegevoegde zoekresultaten acketmagazine.com/19/rode.html - 9k
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Note added at 5 hrs 14 mins (2004-12-09 20:37:24 GMT)
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or.......you might very well have said it yourself with the word \'mindset\' - collective mindset?
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Note added at 5 hrs 16 mins (2004-12-09 20:39:26 GMT)
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on second thought, there are loads of hits for \'collective mindset\' -
... Powerful resolutions came from the collective mindset of the union membership. ... We
used the collective mindset of the real experts, the union members. ...
www.janicecalnan.com/index. php?sv=&category=3&title=68 - 35k
... The state thrives on a collective mindset; its existence depends upon the refusal
of people to make fundamental inquiries into their thinking and behavior. ...
www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer90.html - 24k
... This is a good thing, but this collective mindset creates a massive barrier to
implementing enterprise-wide solutions, unless they also identify and pursue ...
www.beingfirst.com/changeresources/articles/200209/ - 60k
Peer comment(s):
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Tina Vonhof (X)
: what this means is that everyone thinks the same way/has the same opinion but that is not what is means in the source text.
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so this is the run-up to solidarity? ;)
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