Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

a country within Indo-China

French translation:

Un pays de la peninsule indochinoise

Added to glossary by Christine Cooreman
Sep 29, 2005 11:01
18 yrs ago
English term

a country within Indo-China

English to French Other Geography
This is about the possible origins of a child to be adopted: the would-be parents are applying to adopt a child from this geographical area. But in French I seem to remember that "L'Indochine" is something quite specific (and not appropriate here). Any suggestions please?
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Discussion

PFB (X) Sep 29, 2005:
You wrote that L'Indochine is not suitable. You can't use Indochine on its own (without article) and if you use "en Indochine" etc, we're back to the beginning ;-)
Josephine79 (asker) Sep 29, 2005:
Why not Indochine? I'd rather avoid "l'Indochine" as I think they include China itself in the area they are considering.

Proposed translations

+1
12 mins
Selected

Un pays de la peninsule indochinoise

This is what I found on Onternet, and I think it gives a very precise description of that part of the world!
(It's true that, for French people Indochine is an old colony and bloody wars or a quite good rock music group (French group)...

L'Indochine ou péninsule indochinoise ou Asie du Sud-Est continentale est une péninsule du continent asiatique située entre la Chine et l'Inde. Elle est entourée à l'ouest par le Golfe du Bengale, la mer d'Andaman et le détroit de Malacca et à l'est par la mer de Chine méridionale. Traditionnellement, les bouches du Gange formaient sa limite occidentale. Elle comprend les pays et territoires suivants :

la Birmanie
le Cambodge
le Laos
Singapour
la Thaïlande
le Vietnam
les territoires continentaux de la Malaisie, c'est-à-dire les États de Johor, Kedah, Kelantan, Melaka, Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Perak, Penang, Selangor et Terengganu, les districts fédéraux de Kuala Lumpur et Putrajaya.
L'expression Indochine est souvent utilisée pour désigner l'ancienne colonie d'Indochine française.

Peer comment(s):

neutral PFB (X) : "Indochine" et ses dérivés ont des connotations en français que Asker souhaite précisément éviter.
14 mins
agree Arnaud d Halluin : Ca me parait la réponse la plus proche de la source, tout en évitant l'ambiguïté terminologique créée par l'usage et l'histoire de France.
3 hrs
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you, and thanks also to Arnaud who has made some very pertinent remarks about the different terms proposed."
+2
5 mins

un pays du sud-est asiatique / au sud-est de l'Asie

Declined
puisque vous ne souhaitez pas utiliser Indochine (Cambodge/Vietnam/Laos)
Peer comment(s):

agree Calou : Tout à fait, si Josephine ne désire pas employer Indochine http://agora.qc.ca/mot.nsf/Dossiers/Cambodge
11 mins
Merci, Calou
agree Philippe Maillard
1 hr
Merci Philippe
disagree Arnaud d Halluin : Attention ! L'Asie du sud-est inclut des régions ne faisant pas partie de la péninsule indochinoise (Indonésie, Brunei et certains états de Malaisie). Il me semble que Joséphine veut éviter le terme "Indochine", mais pas la référence géographique.
4 hrs
Merci, Arnaud, mais Joséphine ne semble pas souhaiter de réf. à l'Indochine (et, pour info, on dit "inclut" -;)
agree sporran
6 hrs
Merci, Sporran
Something went wrong...
Comment: "Thanks anyway Philippe - in the event I decided to go for the widest possible interpretation as the would-be adopters were being "inclusive" rather than "exclusive" when identifying the countries they were considering."
15 mins

Asie du Sud-Est

Declined
L'Indochine ne comprenait que le Vietnam, le Laos et le Cambodge. On parle maintenant d'Asie du Sud-Est qui englobe davantage de pays.
Peer comment(s):

neutral PFB (X) : Je ne vois pas très bien la différence avec ma propre réponse...
4 mins
Peut-être à cause de l'ANASE : Association des pays de l'Asie du Sud-Est
agree Jocelyne S : Oui, en général on parle de l'Asie du Sud-Est (South-East Asia); par contre je ne suis pas certaine que la Chine soit incluse dans cette zone géographique (c'est plutôt l'Asie tout court à ce moment là).
1 hr
disagree Arnaud d Halluin : Attention ! L'Asie du sud-est inclue des régions ne faisant pas partie de la péninsule indochinoise (Indonésie, Brunei et certains états de Malaisie).
3 hrs
Something went wrong...
Comment: "Thank you for this answer, it did help me sort out what I was going to put."
-1
24 mins

d'un des pays qui constituaient l'Indochine "française".

Declined
Le contexte est insuffisant. Il se peut que ce soit une référence à l'ancien empire colonial français.Ce n'est qu'une hypothèse!
Peer comment(s):

disagree Arnaud d Halluin : Pas dans ce contexte, car un anglophone utiliserait alors une expression du type "former French Indochina"
3 hrs
Something went wrong...
Comment: "Sorry, but as Arnaud says, a speaker of British English like the person writing here would not read all this in to "a country within indo-china". Especially as she wants to be inclusive rather than exclusive in refering to the possible origins of a child to adopt."
1 hr

de l'Asie orientale

Declined
Salut Joséphine,

Malgré que je suis d'accord avec la réponse Asie du Sud Est, si les parents incluent la Chine dans leurs choix de pays, je pense qu'il faut peut-être aller plus vers l'Asie Orientale qui comprend la région allant de la Chine jusqu'au Vietnam, etc.

Voir: http://iao.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/francais/axe1.html
Something went wrong...
Comment: "Thank you, this is what I in fact put in the translation : but I felt the points should go to Christine as she gave the best translation (IMO) of the term I asked for."
3 hrs

un pays faisant partie de l'indochine

Declined
do we need to get more complicated?...
Something went wrong...
Comment: "Sorry, but I thought I had made it clear that we DID need to find a different solution as this is a native speaker of British English who is unaware of all the colonial connotations of "l'indochine""
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