Nov 25, 2004 08:21
20 yrs ago
Russian term
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Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia) 
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian
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Уважаемые коллеги (я что-то запамятствовал), подскажите, пожалуйста, вместе со словом child нормально употреблять "he" "his" ведь человеческое существо же (не "it"), не является это неким оскорблением прекрасной половины?
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| 4 +1 | he/his |
Kurt Porter
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| 5 +1 | см. |
Margarita
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| 5 | he/she, his/her, him/her |
Tsogt Gombosuren
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| 4 | самый политкорректный вариант - they |
Larissa Boutrimova
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| 1 +1 | в качестве удобрения |
Aleksandr Okunev (X)
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9 mins
Kurt Porter
Native in English
Specializes in field
Experienced translator/interpreter
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, English, and 1 more.
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Russian term (edited):
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he/his
I myself wouldn't use "it." Unless you know the gender of the child, I'd simply use "he, his," depending on the need. You can also use "the child," but tht would be a bit stilted after a bit.
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Note added at 27 mins (2004-11-25 08:48:43 GMT)
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Stass, here is a good link showing why I wouldn\'t use he/she, or some form thereof: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/they.html
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Note added at 29 mins (2004-11-25 08:50:18 GMT)
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He, She, or They?
People are increasingly using the plural pronoun they to refer to one person if they do not know whether that person is male or female. Until quite recently, he was generally used to refer to a peson of either sex, as in `Every child needs to know that he is loved\', but nowadays many people feel that such a use is sexist. He or she is possible, but is rather awkward. They is generally accepted in sentences using words such as someone or anyone, e.g. \'Anyone can join if they are a resident\'. More people object to they being used after a single noun, as in \'Ask a friend if they can help\'.
Interestingly, use of they in this way is not a modern invention: it was first recorded in the 16th century.
The above is from: http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/classicerrors/grammar...
I feel in formal writing, it\'s still ok to use \"he.\"
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Note added at 27 mins (2004-11-25 08:48:43 GMT)
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Stass, here is a good link showing why I wouldn\'t use he/she, or some form thereof: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/they.html
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Note added at 29 mins (2004-11-25 08:50:18 GMT)
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He, She, or They?
People are increasingly using the plural pronoun they to refer to one person if they do not know whether that person is male or female. Until quite recently, he was generally used to refer to a peson of either sex, as in `Every child needs to know that he is loved\', but nowadays many people feel that such a use is sexist. He or she is possible, but is rather awkward. They is generally accepted in sentences using words such as someone or anyone, e.g. \'Anyone can join if they are a resident\'. More people object to they being used after a single noun, as in \'Ask a friend if they can help\'.
Interestingly, use of they in this way is not a modern invention: it was first recorded in the 16th century.
The above is from: http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/classicerrors/grammar...
I feel in formal writing, it\'s still ok to use \"he.\"
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, Kurt. You were the first with "they" option, which was new for me."
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8 mins
Russian term (edited):
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Я в таких случаях пишу 'his or her', 'he or she'. Это удлиняет текст, но все остаются довольны. Хотя в психологической литературе, к примеру, довольно часто встречаются одиночные he или she.
Peer comment(s):
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Aleksandr Okunev (X)
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спасибо :)
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Russian term (edited):
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в качестве удобрения
грамматики 15-летней давности требуют "he" для ребенка, человека. работника и т.п. Лучше всего ИМХО писать he or she, я полностью согласен с коллегой. Последняя тенденция - she, источник - самоучитель по подготовке к сдаче экзамена FCE, там motorist = she, мы долго не могли врубиться, а потом проверили всю книжку - почти везде в таких случаях стоит she. Слава феминисткам!
Peer comment(s):
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Vladimir Lioukaikine (X)
: Ошибка в книжке, должно быть "s/he" (читается she-or-he) - Used as a gender-neutral alternative to he or she. http://www.bartleby.com/61/48/S0324800.html
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Спасибо, Владимир, " а потом проверили ***всю*** книжку - почти везде в таких случаях стоит she". Не может в Оксфордском издании быть столько ошибок. Кроме того, это же в качестве информации к размышлению.
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Larissa Boutrimova
: Вполне возможно. А некоторые авторы поступают вообще хитро и пишут в одном абзаце he, в другом she, потом снова he и т.д.
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Larissa Boutrimova
Canada
Canada
Native in Russian
Works in field
Canada
Accuracy and Style
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian, Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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16
самый политкорректный вариант - they
Современные тенденции требуют от пишущего бдительности и там, где это возможно, вообще избегать указания на пол, чтобы чего не вышло. На всякий случай. Поэтому очень дальновидно будет написать they, не обидятся ни мальчики, ни девочки. Причем именно так: child (ед.ч.) - they/them/their (мн.ч.). Это ничего, что слегка безграмотно, однако, прикопаться будет ни к чему.
Вот как здесь, например, пишут люди, свободные от сексизма:
Does **your child** become uneasy, or do you notice **them** quickly hitting keys or the mouse when you approach **them** while **they're** on the computer?
scsc.essortment.com/childrenhacking_nbj.htm
If **your child** has a mobile, it might be an idea to ask **them** to call you when **they’re** ready to come home.
www.bbc.co.uk/schools/parents/ article_secondary_22042002.shtml
**Your child** becomes very secretive around **their** use of the internet, as if **they** are hiding something from you, and aggressive when you come over to **them** to look at the computer.
www.safetyed.org/help/childexploit.html
Смайлов не ставлю, надеюсь, что и без них буду понята правильно.
Вот как здесь, например, пишут люди, свободные от сексизма:
Does **your child** become uneasy, or do you notice **them** quickly hitting keys or the mouse when you approach **them** while **they're** on the computer?
scsc.essortment.com/childrenhacking_nbj.htm
If **your child** has a mobile, it might be an idea to ask **them** to call you when **they’re** ready to come home.
www.bbc.co.uk/schools/parents/ article_secondary_22042002.shtml
**Your child** becomes very secretive around **their** use of the internet, as if **they** are hiding something from you, and aggressive when you come over to **them** to look at the computer.
www.safetyed.org/help/childexploit.html
Смайлов не ставлю, надеюсь, что и без них буду понята правильно.
2 hrs
Tsogt Gombosuren
Canada
Canada
Works in field
Canada
Professionalism and Integrity
Native in: Mongolian
Works in: English to Mongolian, Mongolian to English, French to Mongolian, and 20 more.
Related KudoZ points
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23
Russian term (edited):
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he/she, his/her, him/her
When I don't know the gender of the person (or when I need to refer to both of them), I always write "he/she" in all kinds of official documents.
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