konkret-räumlich

English translation: concrete spatial

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German term or phrase:	konkret-räumlich
English translation:	concrete spatial
Entered by:	Andy S

17:14 Mar 13, 2010

German to English translations [PRO]
Religion / Religious text

German term or phrase: konkret-räumlich

from a religious text with little context offered:

"die beiden Hauptgruppen der konkret-räumlichen Verwendungsweisen mit 127 Belegen"

The text is basically a list of vaguely connected religious -philosophical statements.

I am speculating that here they are discussing concordancing of the Bible. Just a guess.

But konkret-räumlich is phrase I have never come across before.

Andy S KudoZ activity Questions: 156 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (7 closed without grading) Answers: 1 United Kingdom
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concrete spatial (physical)

Explanation:
a few options:

the two main /major groups (categories) of usage expressing (a) concrete spatial (physical) meaning(s)

expressing a concrete physical space / meaning
expressing concrete (material) space / meaning

as opposed to abstract (ideal) space

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15721955
In this fMRI-study, we compare sentences with a concrete spatial meaning to sentences with an abstract meaning.

http://rastkonovakovic.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/lll.doc
abstract (ideal) vs. concrete (material) space

http://www2.uiah.fi/~oturpein/fictive museum installations a...
concrete physical space

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Note added at 22 hrs (2010-03-14 15:36:31 GMT)
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I would also suggest "concrete geographical space /meaning"

but I can't be sure if your text/reference only applies to geographic locations of, for example, streets or if it also relates to more basic "directional" word parts expressing locations or movements therein. .

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Bernhard Sulzer
United States
Local time: 10:46

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concrete spatial (physical)

Bernhard Sulzer

Discussion entries: 10

Helen Shiner

United Kingdom

With Craig

11:20 Mar 14, 2010

that is the nub of the confusion for me, too.

Craig Meulen

United Kingdom

Context

11:19 Mar 14, 2010

If it is a list, then the items in the list that appear before and after this one would be CONTEXT. The title of the list would be CONTEXT. You entered this as 'religious' but you mentioned 'concordancing' and the link I found refers to 'semantics', so a look at the other items in the list might confirm that this is not religious-philosophical, but semantic-linguistic ....

Andy S

United Kingdom

ASKER

This is the whole sentence

11:15 Mar 14, 2010

Helen, this is the whole sentence - as I say it is just a list. If there was more context I would have given it. Craig, thanks for that link - the text appears to be a condensed version of that, largely a collection of phrases without much context.

Helen Shiner

United Kingdom

Hi Andrew

22:45 Mar 13, 2010

surely we need the whole sentence at least, given the vague answers so far - no-one's fault - but a hard one to judge without a bit more context.

Elisabeth Kissel

Australia

If I've read Craig's reference correctly,

21:09 Mar 13, 2010

it is talking about a way of categorizing the various semantic uses of an expression. Could you then not use something like 'actual', 'concrete', 'definite' etc. to cover konkret and 'spatial', 'directional', 'geographical' 'locational' for raeumlich?

Jonathan MacKerron

intercession

19:19 Mar 13, 2010

is also a possible interpretation of Verwendung - is anyone 'interceding' here?
konkret-räumlichen = in their actual geographical context

Jim Tucker (X)

United States

German allows these

19:14 Mar 13, 2010

hyphenated coinages virtually at will (hence it is no surprise that you have not encountered this one previously). English clearly does not. Don't think that you have to translate it with a hyphen or slash. Generally a comma or an "and" between the two elements is sufficient -- or indeed just a space.

Bernhard Sulzer

United States

thoughts

18:55 Mar 13, 2010

I was trying to phrase it but it's not so easy. "Physical environment related". doesn't do it for me. I was going to suggest "actual spatial usage/uses" or "specifically spatial usage/uses" - but am not quite happy. Example for "spatial sense":
http://hebrewandgreekreader.wordpress.com/page/2/

Bernhard Sulzer

United States

@Craig

18:49 Mar 13, 2010

It must be so, Craig, same sentence. I came across it too. Here's another part of it using the same phrase: http://books.google.de/books?id=WfUt_xs7rCAC&pg=PA464&lpg=PA...

Craig Meulen

United Kingdom

Is this related to your translation:

18:44 Mar 13, 2010

Wegmetaphorik im Alten Testament: eine semantische Untersuchung

http://tinyurl.com/ygsorpq

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concrete spatial (physical)

Bernhard Sulzer
United States
Local time: 10:46
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