websites and spam
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Libero_Lang_Lab  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:27
Member (2006)
Russian to English
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Apr 5, 2003

I wonder if anyone can offer any insights. I\'ve recently registered a domain name and, prior to the launch of the website, have asked the site designer to set up the email address for the site so that I can start using it and have mail bounced into my existing personal email account. Since doing so in the last couple of weeks, I\'ve had a huge deluge of spam (the usual range of viagra, low interest loans and country girls who like to do it with livestock). Most of this is being sent to various email addresses generated by my new domain name. I\'ve not actually sent any mail using these addresses so cannot for the life of me understand how anyone is getting hold of them. And I trust the folk who are designing the site for me implicitly, so there is no question of them passing on the name to dodgy mailing lists. My only guess is that the domain registry enables these spam merchants to trawl through lists of newly registered URLs and then, by process of elimination create random email addresses based on the domain, some of which hit the target. If that is true, it\'s a bit worrying.



Anyone who knows more about these things than me out there? Is this actually what is happening? And what can I do to stop the deluge?



Many thanks



Dan


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Harry Bornemann  Identity Verified
Mexico
English to German
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random email addresses based on the domain Apr 5, 2003

This would be easy to program, costs nothing, and seems to be a new way to spam



The only protection I see is to develop more sophisticated spam filters and to start DoS attacks against those spamming servers



(They can use a fake sender address, but they need to name a real URL for the offered products )

[ This Message was edited by: Harry_B on 2003-04-05 16:09]


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Alison Schwitzgebel
France
Local time: 11:27
Member (2002)
German to English
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Not an answer, but a suggestion.... Apr 5, 2003

Anytime I register for a new product, answer a survey, etc., I create a new e-mail address (I have an unlimited number available with my domain). Then I know that if I register for Product XYZ with the address ProductXYZ@mydomainname.com, and spam comes into that address, that product XYZ is at fault.



Just an idea for the future.....



Alison


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Egon
English to German
Not an answer, but a suggestion, but it wouldn't work.... Apr 5, 2003

I am using 3 email addresses and I select them according to the risk that I could get spam there. This helps a lot.



But in this case this would not have worked, because Dan did not even send any email using his new addresses...



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Uwe Kirmse  Identity Verified
Local time: 11:27
Polish to German
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Randomized email adresses... Apr 5, 2003

...are not a new thing. You can\'t do anything against those spammers but to customize your anti spam filter in a way, that mails with certain words (viagra, norton, debt, real estate...) are eliminated. A lot of spammers change their email adresses, they send every mail from another adress, so blocking their adresses will be useless.

But most of them don\'t generate randomized adresses, they crawl the websites for \"mailto:\"-links. On my websites I\'ve done something, that robots can\'t find the adresses. If you want to see it, click here http://www.polnisch-uebersetzer.com/ or here http://www.polnisch-uebersetzer.de/. Since I\'ve done this, I receive only spam with automatic generated adresses, but it\'s still a lot.



I also like Alison\'s suggestion.



Another way to avoid spam: When I have to enter my email adress somewhere, and I don\'t want to receive mails from there, I enter the adress spam@uwekirmse.de. It exists, I can write from this adress, but it\'s redirected to kill@spam.krx. Also in usenet groups I use only this adress with an explanation in the signature to change \"spam\" into \"mail\".



Not all spammers, who use randomized adresses, make a fully automated randomization. Many of them try out some commonly used adresses like mail@domain.xx, webmaster@domain.xx, domain@domain.xx ... So if you avoid such adresses, you will reduce the amount of spam.



Sorry for my bad English. Alison, some time ago I promised not to write in English any more, but I hope, that now it\'s not as funny as last time.

[ This Message was edited by: uwe on 2003-04-06 08:32]


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Alexandru Pojoga
Romania
Local time: 12:27
Japanese to English
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Dictionary spammers Apr 5, 2003

These programs take your domain name and create e-mail addresses with all the usual words like sales, info, webmaster, etc., on assumption that some will work.



Use an unpredictable ID like danb105@zzz.com (instead of just \'dan\') and set the server to bounce all other mail.


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Harry Bornemann  Identity Verified
Mexico
English to German
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prosecution Apr 6, 2003

If the spammer happens to live in the same country as you, you might initiate a prosecution (it costs nothing). This can result in a fine of some thousand dollar for the spammer.



But usually you must be very angry - or a lawyer - to do a thing like that.



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Jeremy Smith  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:27
French to English
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Mailwasher Apr 6, 2003

There\'s a free programme top sift through your mail available at: http://www.mailwasher.net/



I haven\'t tried it myself, but friends of mine swear by it.


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